I respectfully submit that the mechanism is accurately described as “viral” albeit the connotations may be uncomfortable. I will refrain from commenting further in this thread. Happy to continue with you off-list if you wish.
Thank you, Aavi On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 8:43 PM Jeff Newmiller <jdnew...@dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote: > The obvious answer is simply to refer to GPL. It isn't necessary to > propagate a derogatory point of view by finding another word for an > incorrect idea. Try re-reading my previous words without trying to hold on > to a flawed interpretation. > > On June 2, 2020 5:33:56 PM PDT, Avraham Adler <avraham.ad...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >Apologies; my intent was not to disparage, but that is the term is used > >in > >the industry and in venues which discuss FLOSS because it reflects that > >the > >addition of one component with that kind of copyleft license causes the > >entire project to need that particular copyleft license. If there is a > >term > >which reflects that mechanism from a discipline other than biology, > >please let me know. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Avi > > > >On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 8:25 PM Jeff Newmiller > ><jdnew...@dcn.davis.ca.us> > >wrote: > > > >> "Viral" is has connotations that reflect the biases of the person > >using > >> the term. A less loaded perspective is that some people don't want > >you to > >> take their contributions out of circulation by using it as the > >foundation > >> of your proprietary work. If you want to close it up, build from > >scratch or > >> find some other code that isn't GPL. > >> > >> Describing it as "viral" makes it sound as if they were trying to > >steal > >> something you did instead of protecting their code from being stolen. > >> Please refrain from being inflammatory. > >> > >> On June 2, 2020 4:49:25 PM PDT, Avraham Adler > ><avraham.ad...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> >IANAL, but the GPL family of licenses is VIRAL copy left so it > >infects > >> >anything it touched, which is why many shy away and prefer something > >> >like > >> >the Mozilla Public License 2 (MPL) as a compromise between viral > >> >copyleft > >> >and the permissive MIT/ISC/BSD2. > >> > > >> >Avi > >> > > >> >On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 7:32 PM R. Mark Sharp <rmsh...@me.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> Spencer, > >> >> > >> >> I apologize for my obvious (in hindsight) error in bringing up the > >> >topic. > >> >> I will bring up one example, because of your request. Google has > >> >listed > >> >> GPL-1, 2, and 3 as one of several licenses that are restricted and > >> >cannot > >> >> be used by a Google product delivered to outside customers. This > >> >include > >> >> downloadable client software and software such as insdie the > >Google > >> >Search > >> >> Appliance. This includes having scripts that load packages > >> >dynamically as > >> >> with “library()” and “require()”. Please see > >> >> https://opensource.google/docs/thirdparty/licenses/#restricted for > >> >their > >> >> wording. > >> >> > >> >> I am not defending their position and disagree with it. However, > >it > >> >is > >> >> their position based on what I think is a conservative or overly > >> >cautious > >> >> legal interpretation. I am not a lawyer, however, so my opinions > >are > >> >of no > >> >> import. > >> >> > >> >> Mark > >> >> R. Mark Sharp, Ph.D. > >> >> Data Scientist and Biomedical Statistical Consu > >> > >< > https://www.google.com/maps/search/a+Scientist+and+Biomedical+Statistical+Consu?entry=gmail&source=g > > > >> ltant > >> >> 7526 Meadow Green St. > >> >> San Antonio, TX 78251 > >> >> mobile: 210-218-2868 > >> >> rmsh...@me.com > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Jun 2, 2020, at 10:22 AM, Spencer Graves < > >> >> spencer.gra...@effectivedefense.org> wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> > Can Dr. Sharp kindly provide a credible reference, > >discussing > >> >the > >> >> alleged ambiguities in GPL-2 and GPL-3 that convince some > >companies > >> >to > >> >> avoid them? > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > I like Wikimedia Foundation projects like Wikipedia, where > >> >almost > >> >> anyone can change almost anything, and what stays tends to be > >written > >> >from > >> >> a neutral point of view, citing credible sources. I get several > >> >emails a > >> >> day notifying me of changes in articles I'm "watching". FUD, > >> >vandalism, > >> >> etc., are generally reverted fairly quickly or moved to the "Talk" > >> >page > >> >> associated with each article, where the world is invited to > >provide > >> >> credible source(s). > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Spencer Graves > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > On 2020-06-02 10:12, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote: > >> >> >> On 2 June 2020 at 10:06, R. Mark Sharp wrote: > >> >> >> | The GPL-2 and GPL-3 licenses are apparently sufficiently > >> >ambiguous in > >> >> the legal community that some companies avoid them. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Wittgenstein: 'That whereof we cannot speak, thereof we must > >> >remain > >> >> silent' > >> >> >> > >> >> >> This is a mailing list of the R project. R is a GNU Project. R > >is > >> >> licensed > >> >> >> under the GPL, version two or later. That has not stopped large > >> >> corporations > >> >> >> from using R, adopting R, or starting or acquiring R related > >> >businesses. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> If you have a strong urge to spread FUD about the GPL and R, > >could > >> >you > >> >> have the > >> >> >> modicum of etiquette to not do it on a mailing list of the R > >> >Project? > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Dirk > >> >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> > ______________________________________________ > >> >> > R-package-devel@r-project.org > >> ><mailto:R-package-devel@r-project.org> > >> >> mailing list > >> >> > https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel < > >> >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel> > >> >> > >> >> [[alternative HTML version deleted]] > >> >> > >> >> ______________________________________________ > >> >> R-package-devel@r-project.org mailing list > >> >> https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-package-devel > >> >> > >> > >> -- > >> Sent from my phone. 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