Hello all, I have a question that is perhaps esoteric, since it's on a method I don't see used often. I am looking at the dynamics of body size evolution, and have come upon ancestor-vs-change plots described in Alroy 2000 ("Understanding the dynamics of evolutionary trends", Paleobiology). This is interesting because it will allow me to see if rate of body size change depends on body size. I haven't seen this method widely used, so for anyone unaware how this works: for each branch, you plot the ancestral state vs. the amount/rate of change along the branch. In theory, by looking at a scatterplot of ancestral size vs. change, I can answer questions such as "Are smaller taxa more likely to evolve to a larger size?" I don't see too many people using this method, so I thought I'd ask why. Is there a particular reason for it not being used? Are there more powerful methods to answer this same question that have supplanted it?
I also have a more specific question, assuming that ancestor-vs-change plots are valid. For my dataset, I have reconstructed ancestral states for my clade from tip data and pic, and then plotted ancestral states versus the rate of change along every branch (attached). While there are a couple outliers, you can see the distribution roughly hangs around 0 along the entire graph, but I'd like to fit a line so I can present if the slope significantly differs from 0 (ie. body size evolutionary rate truly does not depend on body size of ancestors). Alroy (2000) describes that the shape of the plot can be informative on different dynamics of evolutionary change, implying fitting of linear and polynomial lines, but doesn't really discuss how to test this statistically. Alroy seems to use this method and fits a polynomial line in Alroy 1998 ("Cope's Rule and the Dynamics of Body Mass Evolution in North American Fossil Mammals", Science), but he doesn't really describe his statistics ! in depth. So my question is how can I fit a line to this data? Problematically, since each branch has a sister branch that shares the same ancestral node, each ancestral state is represented twice. I think this makes the observations non-independent. If they are, this makes me think that a linear regression is inappropriate, but I'm not sure. I could average the amount of change along each branch for every ancestral node, but I'm not sure if that's the best way. Does anyone have any insight on an appropriate way to determine a best fit line statistically? Thanks in advance, Milton Tan Auburn University Department of Biological Sciences PhD Candidate [[alternative HTML version deleted]] _______________________________________________ R-sig-phylo mailing list - R-sig-phylo@r-project.org https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-sig-phylo Searchable archive at http://www.mail-archive.com/r-sig-phylo@r-project.org/