As a small side-note in this copyright discussion, the RIAA, the group that
sues people who pirate music*, has ceased their lawsuits and is experiencing
huge layoffs.
*I won't say that they're fighting to give artists their fair share of lost
revenue because exactly zero dollars from the lawsuits have gone to any
artist.

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Jonathan Sherwood
Sr. Science & Technology Press Officer
University of Rochester
585-273-4726


On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Dave Henn <[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 8:42 AM, Eric Scoles <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 2009-03-02, delancey <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>>  [snip]
>
>>
>>>  ... I fear an analogous thing is happening now; we're
>>> setting a social norm that (1) it's reasonable to say certain kinds of
>>> algorithms are theft (which, I might add, I continue to find deeply
>>> problematic conceptually:  how bizarre to say that a function --
>>> literally, a mathematical function! -- can transform a legally
>>> purchased good into a stolen good!), and (2) content controllers seem
>>> more and more to get to decide every form, every iteration, if not
>>> every instance, that the relevant content should take.
>>>
>>
>>
>> As I say, I'm not arguing with your general point. This scares me, too,
>> because it opens the door to levels of control we have a hard time
>> imagining. The truism that I keep coming back to is that disintermediation
>> of control structures -- here, that's represented by saying that
>> creators always have control over everything that anybody
>> can do with anything they make -- helps the really big players at least as
>> much as it does the really small players. I would argue (and have argued,
>> many times) that it actually helps the big players more, because they're far
>> better equipped to exploit the economies of scale.
>>
>
> Copyright is all about control over works by owners of rights in the works.
> The law surrounding it tries to balance the rights of the copyright owners
> against the public interest. Sometimes the balance tips toward owners,
> sometimes toward public. Sometimes there is huge inconsistency between how
> rights are handled as between two different types or forms of works. As you
> say, those equipped to exploit economies of scale have advantage. So do
> those equipped to lobby members of Congress to change the law in their favor
> a la Disney, at least in effect, extending copyright law to protect Mickey
> just before the copyrights were to expire (simplification, but many agree).
>
>
>> In terms of this debate, here's one way that would play out. Publishers
>> (or whatever ends up taking over from publishers) will be making
>> deals with authors (who just want their stuff published) that give them
>> greater control over the content. Big authors will get better terms.
>> Amazon will do what it's always done
>>
>> Small authors, who are often the ones most obsessed with control in these
>> situations, will be the ones who get screwed. Unless they fully
>> disintermediate, they'll be stuck letting their books get read aloud anyway.
>> There's just no way in hell this is not going to happen. The only real
>> question is who will benefit from it.
>>
>
> Big entities have been enjoying advantage over little forever. I generally
> like it when the little gain.
>
>
>> And I'm sorry, but I see no likely scenario where any but a tiny, tiny
>> segment of authors benefit from speech-to-text DRM. Only the ones with the
>> biggest PR muscle will see any benefit at all. A Stephen King or a J. K.
>> Rowling can make their own terms, even start their own company. A Craig
>> deLancey, not so much.
>>
>
> Probably. You know what, screw it. Why should I pay for any of the extra
> forms of works I do? Why don't I just have a machine transform the cheapest
> forms into a different form and enjoy the alternate forms for free that way?
> Stephen King and Rowling will never feel the difference, and the smaller
> authors are going to get screwed anyway. So, buy used copies of books, have
> a machine convert the books into digital text, then have the digital text
> converted into audio, and boom. I can have my audio books for half the
> price, probably much less if I'm willing to buy used copies whose covers are
> in bad shape. True, right now converting the book into digital text is time
> consuming for those of us who don't have the kind of automated book scanners
> used by Google and the Library of Congress. But technology changes.
>
> Hey - isn't Google transforming legally-obtained and authorized copies of
> works into an alternate form using an algorithm?
>
>
>
> >
>

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