Indeed: if we did that, then these structs would be much like cons
cells currently are.

Robby


On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 5:39 PM, Robby Findler
<[email protected]> wrote:
> What if #:authentic (or whatever) were only allowed on immutable
> objects and we allowed them to be copied? Then contracts could protect
> them.
>
> Robby
>
>
> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Matthias Felleisen
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> @ Christos
>>
>> #:authentic explicitly introduces a channel of communication that it is not 
>> protectable by contracts. This makes Racket’s contract system explicitly 
>> incomplete. It might have been incomplete in the past for other reasons.
>>
>> If the name isn’t fixed, #:no-proxy-allowed would be my preference.
>>
>> — Matthias
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On May 11, 2017, at 12:48 PM, Scott Moore <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree that generally don't want performance declarations that
>>>> interfere with reasonable interposition. The good uses of `#:authentic`
>>>> would be in places where the struct representation of a value is not
>>>> exposed or where the values themselves are not exposed (so any
>>>> interposition means being on the "inside" where you can change the
>>>> code, anyway).
>>>
>>> Yes, I agree with this. I think as far as how this changes Racket’s data 
>>> abstraction model, the key is “where the values themselves are not exposed.”
>>> #:authentic only has an interesting effect in the other case, where 
>>> “outside” code gets its hands on a value of the struct type. Previously, I 
>>> could write a program that used inspectors to impersonate this value 
>>> regardless of the “inside” code’s intent. Now that would no longer be 
>>> possible.
>>>
>>> I doubt there is much code that currently relies on being able to do this 
>>> and so I would say go ahead. (Perhaps DrRacket or other debugging tools?)
>>>
>>> On the other hand, Spencer already asked if this would be something the 
>>> optimization coach would recommend. I think it would be important for the 
>>> documentation of #:authentic or the implementation of such a coach to 
>>> stress the importance of the rules of thumb you just laid out.
>>>
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