They would be the same. We currently cannot chaperone or impersonate cons
cells. We copy them.

Robby

On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 5:51 PM Matthias Felleisen <[email protected]>
wrote:

>
> Yes except that you can contract cons cells. So why couldn’t you contract
> authentic structs then?
>
>
>
> > On May 11, 2017, at 6:41 PM, Robby Findler <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >
> > Indeed: if we did that, then these structs would be much like cons
> > cells currently are.
> >
> > Robby
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 5:39 PM, Robby Findler
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> What if #:authentic (or whatever) were only allowed on immutable
> >> objects and we allowed them to be copied? Then contracts could protect
> >> them.
> >>
> >> Robby
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 11, 2017 at 5:38 PM, Matthias Felleisen
> >> <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> @ Christos
> >>>
> >>> #:authentic explicitly introduces a channel of communication that it
> is not protectable by contracts. This makes Racket’s contract system
> explicitly incomplete. It might have been incomplete in the past for other
> reasons.
> >>>
> >>> If the name isn’t fixed, #:no-proxy-allowed would be my preference.
> >>>
> >>> — Matthias
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On May 11, 2017, at 12:48 PM, Scott Moore <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I agree that generally don't want performance declarations that
> >>>>> interfere with reasonable interposition. The good uses of
> `#:authentic`
> >>>>> would be in places where the struct representation of a value is not
> >>>>> exposed or where the values themselves are not exposed (so any
> >>>>> interposition means being on the "inside" where you can change the
> >>>>> code, anyway).
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, I agree with this. I think as far as how this changes Racket’s
> data abstraction model, the key is “where the values themselves are not
> exposed.”
> >>>> #:authentic only has an interesting effect in the other case, where
> “outside” code gets its hands on a value of the struct type. Previously, I
> could write a program that used inspectors to impersonate this value
> regardless of the “inside” code’s intent. Now that would no longer be
> possible.
> >>>>
> >>>> I doubt there is much code that currently relies on being able to do
> this and so I would say go ahead. (Perhaps DrRacket or other debugging
> tools?)
> >>>>
> >>>> On the other hand, Spencer already asked if this would be something
> the optimization coach would recommend. I think it would be important for
> the documentation of #:authentic or the implementation of such a coach to
> stress the importance of the rules of thumb you just laid out.
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