I'm no expert either :)
I *am* keen that any kid (like my 12yo son)  doesn't end up having a bad
experience. I think there is a big difference between the TRS-80 I typed
BASIC into and the options kids have now & I'm not sure regular parents who
like me, aren't education professionals, can provide the right guidance &
support.

S.


On Mon, 29 May 2017 at 04:20, Neil Van Dyke <n...@neilvandyke.org> wrote:

> Stephen De Gabrielle wrote on 05/28/2017 09:08 AM:
> > > But don't discount the potential of throwing a young child at a
> > computer with
> > > only non-child software on it, and let them figure out
> > > how to do what they want, much on their own. That's how the early-1980s
> > > home computer kids got started, and that worked out pretty well.
>
> > Survivorship bias?
>
> Could be; good point.  (I've seen and suspected a lot of survivor bias
> in academia, in various ways, especially around the fancy-pants schools,
> and around narrow STEM paths; but that's another conversation.)
>
> I know only a little of the work that has been done on this, by
> education and developmental researchers, so I overstated my
> non-specialist's opinion.  My bad.
>
> My *anecdotal experience and inexpert intuition* is that self-motivated
> play by young children, who are in sponge mode, can be a powerful
> learning machine, especially when given helpful nudges/nurturing.
> Seymour Papert and others have worked on this.
>
> And I believe I've observed the influence of people feeling that they
> are doing well, or doing badly, at something new.  So I suspect that
> nudging that, as needed, can be key to the learner putting in enough
> time and effort to do well.
>
> I doubt that these general ideas would be controversial among actual
> experts, but of course there must also be a lot more going on and
> important, which they also know something about.
>
> --
Kind regards,
Stephen
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