----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "RBASE-L Mailing List" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:38 AM
Subject: [RBASE-L] - RE: Saving Scanned Docs


> Mark
>

> I know I can do all this in RBase but about 50+ users already
> have Paper port and hundreds of scanned files and they are not
> using the same folder / file naming logic.  So, that is why I am
> using 2 different solutions.

  But you can set PaperPort to point to the same root folder that your RBase 
automated scanning solution points to.



> Thanks for all the help
> Marc
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Mark Lindner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "RBASE-L Mailing List" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 8:58 PM
> Subject: [RBASE-L] - RE: Saving Scanned Docs
>
>
> I store the file info in the database along with a description of the
> document, the actual file# is our internally assigned file#/account number
> and a sequence number to make it unique.  They are stored in a series of
> directories that have 500 in each and then automatically increment to create
> a new one every 500.
>
> The pdf's are scanned into a temp directory, then viewed, indexed and put
> into the storage directory.  The indexing step allows us to have all kinds
> of documents with varying descriptions found in no time at all.
>
> Works like a charm and is virtually unlimited in size.
>
> Samples available on request.
>
> Mark Lindner
> Lindner & Associates PC
> 254 Second Ave
> Needham  MA   02494
> 781 247 1100   Fax  781 247 1143
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MikeB
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 6:34 PM
> To: RBASE-L Mailing List
> Subject: [RBASE-L] - RE: Saving Scanned Docs
>
>
> Emmitt, etal,
>
> For my money, as long as I am using a DB, I would also store the relative
> path
> to every file and not beat myself up too much over folder relationships,
> maybe
> using a numbering system and incrementing when a tipping point is met with
> respect to the file count (if you already have a large number of files, you
> could test search speed against count to get what works for you).
>
> If the file location is going to be sourced from your db, the count won't
> make
> much difference, but to external programs it will.
>
> There are some pretty easy little snippets of code to generate the pathname
> of
> a file if you have a need to traverse the directory/file structure
> periodically
> to reaffirm the pathnames.
>
> Here are a couple of links relating to the NTFS and issues of capicity and
> look-up performance.  Articles that you might find on "Optimizing NTFS
> Performance" that relate to WinXP also are relative to Server 2003.
>
> Also after reviewing the material, you might consider the wisdom of
> dedicating
> a disk/volume to the archiving process since this is of little impact from a
>
> cost perspective.
>
> <:http://technet2.microsoft.com/WindowsServer/en/Library/8cc5891d-bf8e-4164-
> 862d-dac5418c59481033.mspx?mfr=true>
>
> <:http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/winntas/tips/winntmag/optntfs.msp
> x?mfr=true>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Emmitt Dove" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "RBASE-L Mailing List" <[email protected]>
> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 5:59 PM
> Subject: [RBASE-L] - RE: Saving Scanned Docs
>
>
>> It is still better than one folder with 20,000 files.  Where the
>> operating system has a problem in my experience is with one folder and
>> a very large number of files in that one folder.
>>
>>
>>
>> Emmitt Dove
>>
>> Manager, DairyPak Business Systems
>>
>> Evergreen Packaging, Inc.
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> (203) 643-8022
>>
>>
>>
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc
>> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 5:16 PM
>> To: RBASE-L Mailing List
>> Subject: [RBASE-L] - RE: Saving Scanned Docs
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Emmitt
>>
>>
>>
>> If you had
>>
>> C:\ScanFolder\JohnSmith\  with 4-5 files
>>
>> C:\ScanFolder\BillyJoe\ with 4-5 files
>>
>> ...
>>
>> ...
>>
>> for say 5,000 customers / sub directories will that still bog it down
>>
>> since there are 5000 folders and 20,000 files under the main folder
>>
>> ScanFolder ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for all the help
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Emmitt Dove <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> To: RBASE-L Mailing List <mailto:[email protected]>
>>
>> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 2:56 PM
>>
>> Subject: [RBASE-L] - RE: Saving Scanned Docs
>>
>>
>>
>> Marc,
>>
>>
>>
>> Part of the problem is that when a Windows folder gets over some large
>> number of files, say 16,000 or more, the operating system's directory
>> search function - which all programs use - starts to bog down.
>> Keeping the number of files in a given folder to a manageable number
>> can only help performance, not to mention programmer sanity when
>> trying to find something or diagnose a problem.
>>
>>
>>
>> Emmitt Dove
>>
>> Manager, DairyPak Business Systems
>>
>> Evergreen Packaging, Inc.
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> (203) 643-8022
>>
>>
>>
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc
>> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 3:35 PM
>> To: RBASE-L Mailing List
>> Subject: [RBASE-L] - RE: Saving Scanned Docs
>>
>>
>>
>> Frank
>>
>>
>>
>> How were you retrieving the scanned files when it was slow?
>>
>> I am using a File List box and double clicking on the file.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am worried my users do not know enough about computers
>>
>> to save the file in the correct customer folder.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the help
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Frank Taylor <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> To: RBASE-L Mailing List <mailto:[email protected]>
>>
>> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 8:50 AM
>>
>> Subject: [RBASE-L] - RE: Saving Scanned Docs
>>
>>
>>
>> Marc,
>>
>>
>>
>> We are scanning up to 5000 documents for our customers per month. Each
>> one does have a unique identifier, but when we used to hold them in
>> one folder we found speed in retrieving them was getting very slow. We
>> now break them down by month/year and put them in the respective
>> folder of their creation date. Since then things have gotten much
>> faster and easier to pull up.  So I would recommend some sort of
>> breakdown scheme to store them into different folders.
>>
>>
>>
>> n  Frank
>>
>>
>>
>> Frank Taylor - Information Systems Administrator
>>
>> F.J. O'Hara & Sons, Inc - Araho Transfer Inc.
>>
>> Boston, MA - Rockland, ME - Miami, FL
>>
>> Direct Dial - 617-790-3093
>>
>> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>> From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marc
>> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 9:07 AM
>> To: RBASE-L Mailing List
>> Subject: [RBASE-L] - Saving Scanned Docs
>>
>>
>>
>> HI
>>
>>
>>
>> I need to save about 4-6 scanned documents for about 5,000
>>
>> customers
>>
>>
>>
>> Would it be better to create a folder for each customer such as
>>
>> c:\Scanned Files\Cust 123\
>>
>> c:\Scanned Files\Cust 124\
>>
>> c:\Scanned Files\Cust 125\
>>
>>
>>
>> or
>>
>> Have all the scanned files in one folder ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Any suggestions on how to orginize 30,000 scanned files?
>>
>>
>>
>> I remember years ago there were limits to the number of files per
>>
>> folder but I have not heard anything about that the last few years
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>>
>>
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