Hi Troy,
> Crystal reports will only generate reports for you. You still need Oterro
for
> the ODBC connection. You better get your check book out. Crystal
Decisions
> web based report generator costs about $1000 per concurrent user.
If you don't install the 8.5 but stay at version 8 of Crystal Reports
Professional you can publish any number of report over the web when crystal
found out this hole they immediately turned of component server.
Ben Johansen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Troy Sosamon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2001 8:23 PM
Subject: RE: Web Solution with RBASE
> Enrique,
>
> This is a big question, and I will give you my 2 cents.
>
> Running R:base on the web?
> Depends on if you just need a few people accessing your database, or you
need
> a lot.
>
> If you just need a few people accessing the database, go buy a few
dedicated
> machines, get a dedicated internet connection w/ static ip addresse, and
put
> pc anywhere on the machines. You are off to the races with very little
time
> and money invested. You will not have to re-write any code.
>
> If you need a full blown web site using R:base, you have a lot of options:
> 1. You need Oterro - the R:base ODBC connection!
> 2. You need a web server and internet connection.
> 3. You need something running on the web server that can build web pages
on
> the fly from your ODBC data source. There are several products that do
this.
> They are not cheep. Tango and Cold Fusion are both options along w/ other
> things. These server products start around $3000 per server.
> 4. You have to purchase the development package that goes w/ #3
> 5. You have to learn how to use #3 and #4 along w/ HTML.
> 6. You have to Re-build your entire application for whatever platform you
> choose in #3 and #4.
>
> Crystal reports will only generate reports for you. You still need Oterro
for
> the ODBC connection. You better get your check book out. Crystal
Decisions
> web based report generator costs about $1000 per concurrent user.
>
> Personally I am using Tango. Why? I know a crazy guy in Pittsburgh that
> sells it, and I know it works really well w/ R:base. When I played around
w/
> Cold Fusion, I could not get CF to pull BLOBs out of the database and
Tango
> will.
>
> As far as forward thinking about a products life:
> The internet is not going away. Personally I think anyone that is
designing a
> large multi user system that is not planning on making it web based is
nuts.
> HTML is a bug ugly thing that we are all going to be forced to learn! OK,
w/
> that out of the way, R:base is SQL based and you access it through an ODBC
> connection. Every database out there has an ODBC connection. So, if you
build
> a web base app using the ODBC connection, and all of a sudden your
business
> out grows R:base (good luck) or you decide for whatever reason you need to
> change database, it is a piece of cake. It would just take a few days to
> trade the database out for something else. You just unload the data from
one
> database, and load it back into the new one. This is why we use ANSI
level 2
> SQL database to begin with. Don't forget these other databases that you
would
> want to change to cost over 10 times as much.
>
> Now if your app is developed in Tango, and somthing happens to Tango and
it
> goes away, what do you do? Your apps written in Tango are 75% HTML and
just
> the data access command and the program control is tango based. It would
not
> be too dificult if you had to switch to a different product because all of
the
> Tango HTML would not need to be modified.
>
>
> Troy Sosamon
>
> >===== Original Message From [EMAIL PROTECTED] =====
> >Perhaps this has been discussed before, but I am knew to this list... If
> >there is a description/discussion of the possibilities some place, please
> >let me know.
> >
> >What options are there for running RBASE on the web?
> >
> >Some of the things that I am considering to be important in decision
making
> >are:
> >
> >1. Is this a long term solution or will the technology go away and then I
> >have to start all over? (VERY IMPORTANT).
> >2. What is the cost of royalties to companies? A one time developer
runtime
> >fee is my preferred route, but reasonable royalties per user is also OK.
> >3. What is the development cost? That is, how easy it is to create the
> >front end/application?
> >4. How will it run (speed, security, etc.)
> >5. How universal will the solution be? That is, will it run on thin
> >clients, handheld devices running Windows CE, any browser?
> >
> >Some options that I have looked into:
> >
> >A. Running RBASE with a web browser using some technology that allows me
to
> >run RBASE natively in a browser. You can see an example at:
> >http://www.tarantella.com/cgi-bin/demo.cgi . Cost of 5 user license is
> >about $750 (you need web server, etc.)
> >
> >B. Tango. I am not sure how easy it is to create an interactive front
end
> >with it, but seems a nice solution. My main concern is if the code
written
> >is in some way difficult to reconvert if Tango goes away (see the
Pervasive
> >home site). Are 10 user licenses available? What are the costs to deploy
a
> >solution for a customer with 10 users?
> >
> >C. ASP created with some RAD tool such as MS VisualInterdev. Allows you
to
> >create more or less heavily on the client/server side as desired. Cost
> >about 600 dollars for MS VisualInterdev - no runtime royalties. Can you
> >write procedures to be run by RBASE and call these procedures from an ASP
> >page? Has anyone tried this? No fees except the regular fees for a
server.
> >Solution also includes Active Data Objects 2.x and Remote Data Objects .
> >Allair's Cold Fusion does the same thing but you need an additional CF
> >server to run the CF Markup Language and this can be expensive.
> >
> >D. Some programming language such as Microsoft Visual Basic, Microsoft
> >Visual C++, Borland C++ Builder, Borland Delphi, but I'd rather stay away
> >from programming (I'd rather do my programming with RBASE).
> >
> >E. Crystal Reports - this is only a report writer, right? Or can I
create
> >input forms also?
> >
> >F. Other
> >
> >Since I know nothing about any of these solutions I am free to go the
best
> >route. I would love to have RBASE as the in-house application running my
> >database but any help.
> >
> >Enrique Wintergerst
>
> Troy Sosamon
> Denver Co
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
