Bill, I've done somewhat similar work in the cotton sector.  It's been a few
years and my analytical/data-modeling skills are better (hopefully, my
(self-)management capabilities are better as well).  Anyway, if you'd like,
we could carry on this thread intermittently, either by direct e-mail or via
the listserv, if there is the possibility f/mutually beneficial sharing of
info.  I've picked up experience and ideas on data-entry versus interviewing
versus statistics versus SQL ...

Anyway, if you'd like, I can give you an example of what I'm talking about.
I'm only "cagey" about this because I think I've come up w/a (data) model
that's pretty good, if not fully mature/evolved, and I flatter myself to
think that nobody else has arrived at something similar.  It is this model
which makes me very interested in the column-to-row/matrix-transformation
capabilities of SQL/SAS/SPSS.

Also, there's another regular listserv member who manages crab population
counts in Alaska.  No insult to him, but, although we've had meaningful
dialogue, I can't recollect his name - I'm bad w/names, but very good
w/faces, so you "see" my problem w/e-mail is that I can't see!  He
apparently does something similar to what y'all are doing.

Anyway, let me know.

Thanks,
Steve in Memphis

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Bill Niehaus
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 8:10 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Export from Rbase Win 6.5++ to SAS
>
>
> I am in charge of our variety trial testing system which evaluates
> hybrids from seed companies prior to their being grown by our commercial
> growers.  We collect data from 7 or 8 locations for a commercial growing
> region of about 200 miles by 50 miles.  We have utilized lattice field
> designs for a number of years in an attempt to reduce environmental
> error effects on our evaluations.  I believe we use fairly straight
> forward classical statistical analysis for our data analysis.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/26/2002 3:56:00 PM >>>
> Bill, if I may ask, what type of work does this/your organization do?
> I ask
> because we do lots of survey research as well as data analysis in my
> group.
> This issue of de-normalized data f/the researchers vs normalized data
> f/acquisition (interviewing/data-entry) is one we haven't had to cross
> yet,
> but the time is drawing nigh.  We use SPSS f/the most part, but we also
> use
> SAS.  I have a G/A who's pretty well-versed there, so I can bounce the
> Q off
> her.
>
> I'll be watching this thread closely.
>
> Later,
> Steve in Memphis
>
> ... okay, where in Memphis ...
>
>      Bureau of Business & Economic Research/Center for Manpower
> Studies
>      (BBER/CMS)
>      University of Memphis
>
> SW
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> > Behalf Of Bill Niehaus
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 3:18 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Export from Rbase Win 6.5++ to SAS
> >
> >
> > I am converting a database to Rbase (from a compiled basic program)
> and
> > one of it's features is to send data to SAS.   In the past,
> exporting
> > involved creating an ASCII file with column specified output.   SAS
> > would read it as follows:
> >
> >  data BEETS01;infile BEETS01 lrecl=228 pad;
> >  input trial $ 3-8 year 3-4 plot $ 13-16 rep ccode 30-32 entryskip$
> > 33-48
> >        stand 49 cr1 cr2 cr3 cr4 cr5 cr6 cr;
> >
> >
> > Is there an option to get SAS to read information from Rbase which
> > would avoid issues of having to get data into specific columns from
> > Rbase for SAS to read (eg.  CSV, XLS, DBF) ?  I haven't had SAS read
> > other file formats, so I am not certain which combination may be
> easier
> > for transferring from Rbase to SAS.
> >
> > Thanks.   Bill
> >
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