Let me put my two sense in here. I have a Ram, but, after much thought passed up the AHH for the Ebisu from Jitensha, which is very similar to the AHH, but with different brakes, braze-ons, paint, and price. I'm betting the two ride quite a bit alike.
Obviously, either bike can be set up quite differently. The Ram, no doubt, would do fine as as a light touring bike, and can do quite nicely on dirt roads with either 32 or 28 mm tires, but it really lends itself to a straight forward road bike, with or without fenders, and a small or mid size saddle bag. That's the way I have my Ram set up, and it climbs, descends, and cruises very much like my 1988 Marinoni, which is a bike with world championship pedigree. I'm sure I could also set up the Ebisu, or an AHH to ride almost as well, but it really excells as a commuter, tourer and back road bike. It is very stable at slow speeds, which is essential for climbing hills during rush hour, and I would choose it for all day on dirt roads, or a ride across America. I see the Ram and AHH as complimentary, not competitive. Wheel & tire choices make a world of difference. So the bottom line is, Riv could market the AHH with more emphasis on its road strengths, but I think, resources permitting, that offering the Ram a a straight forward, wind at your back, road bike and the AHH as a versatile commuter / country bike makes a lot more sense. I love them both. The AHH long reach brakes are economical, but once you spring for that much of a frame, the price of a set of Paul's cantis is small and will out perform the silver brakes, so I question Grant's decision to invest so much of his design effort around that brake selection. peace, michael westford, vt On Nov 23, 1:40 pm, usuk2007 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That's why I compared the ride of the Ram with 32mm tyres to that of > the Atlantis with 26x1.25 tyres. > That's the closest to comparing "apples to apples" as your going to > get. When you do that the Ram is far > better than the Atlantis on the road and only marginally worse that > the Atlantis on dirt. So It's the bike > I choose for most of my riding. If I was putting 50lbs of gear on the > back or if I was going on an expedition over > rough ground I probably take the Atlantis. > > On Nov 23, 10:30 am, "Mitch F." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I think we are comparing tire sizes more than bikes. > > > The only real comparison is if you use the same wheel/tire combination on > > both bikes inflated exactly the same. > > > I have three sets of wheels and four tires for my Romulus, 25mm, 28mm, 32mm > > and 35mm. Each tire size makes a world of difference. > > > I think a better comparison might be made with, say, 28mm fully inflated. > > A fatter, softer tire might tend to hide differences in the feel between > > the models. > > > --- On Sun, 11/23/08, usuk2007 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > From: usuk2007 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: [RBW] Re: Is the Ram the closest thing to perfect bike? I think > > > so. > > > To: "RBW Owners Bunch" <[email protected]> > > > Date: Sunday, November 23, 2008, 9:29 AM > > > Obviously tyre size has a big effect. Sometimes I ride the > > > Atlantis > > > with 26x1.75 Schwalbe Marathons > > > over dirt tracks and it obviously does better than the Ram > > > with 32mm > > > tyres. It feels safer and if > > > a rock comes along the Atlantis deals with it better. When > > > I put > > > 26x1.25 on the Atlantis and ride on the > > > road that stability makes it feel slower than the Ram. Its > > > a close run > > > thing, but I suppose I just like the feeling > > > of speed and freedom that I get form the Ram, and as it > > > will handle > > > the dirt reasonably well and take > > > my fairly light touring load it's the bike I prefer for > > > most of my > > > riding. > > > > On Nov 23, 9:14 am, Angus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > I'm also interested in what usuk2007 feels is the > > > difference. > > > > > I've got both a Rambouillet and an Atlantis, both > > > 64cm, the fit is > > > > similar. I have 28mm tires on the Rambouillet and > > > 37mm tires on the > > > > Atlantis, I believe much of the difference I feel > > > between the two > > > > bikes is due to the tire size. > > > > > The Atlantis, probably due to the tires, is less > > > jarring over rough > > > > road surfaces and seems to be a slightly more stable > > > bike. It rides > > > > VERY well fully loaded. > > > > > The Rambouillet seems to have quicker, more nimble > > > steering and > > > > transmits more road vibration (probably the tires). > > > It feels faster, > > > > if I can't keep up with the local carbon bike > > > crowd it's not due to > > > > the bike. > > > > > There is also a weight difference between the two > > > bikes, I can feel > > > > that when putting the bikes into the back of the > > > car... > > > > > Angus > > > > > On Nov 22, 11:13 pm, "Doug Peterson" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Just curious: Since you have both, what are the > > > differences between the Ram > > > > > & the Atlantis? > > > > > > I have an Atlantis that I purchased primarily for > > > touring, so did not > > > > > consider component weights at build time. > > > It's a pretty standard Riv build; > > > > > lots of MTB stuff (crank, hubs, brakes) on 700 > > > wheels. > > > > > > It's a great bike but admittedly a lot of > > > work to keep up with the racy > > > > > types (as racy as bunch of retired geezers can > > > be, anyway). I'm curious to > > > > > hear your comparison. > > > > > > dougP > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > Behalf Of usuk2007 > > > > > Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 6:43 PM > > > > > To: RBW Owners Bunch > > > > > Subject: [RBW] Is the Ram the closest thing to > > > perfect bike? I think so. > > > > > > I'm a bit perplexed with the drift of Riv > > > away from the "lighter" end > > > > > of the frame spectrum. The current frames and new > > > ones just on the > > > > > horizon look exciting, but there's a big void > > > where the Ram was once. > > > > > I have an Atlantis and love it, but the Ram is by > > > far my favourite > > > > > bike; fast enough to feel as if I'm a strong > > > cyclist, versatile enough > > > > > to go touring with lightweight gear, and even do > > > some off road with > > > > > 32mm tyres. I think the Ram hits the sweet spot > > > between speed, > > > > > handling and strength. I haven't ridden an > > > AHH, but somehow if just > > > > > looks less fun than the Ram, so I'm waiting > > > for Rivendell to bring > > > > > back the road/sport touring bike.- Hide quoted > > > text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
