I am interested in the tires from both Pacenti and Grand Bois. I have
been using the Hetre on my randonneurs and they haven't failed to
impress. I do use Riv Fatty Rumpkins on my commute/around town/trail
bike, and they have served me well. I expect the Hetres to last me at
least 3-4000 miles (i have 1000 miles on them so far, and no real
signs of wear). It did help that I got them at a good discount when
Box Dog Bikes were renovating. I will certainly stock up next time I
go to Japan.

Franklyn

On Jul 7, 10:05 am, Gino Zahnd <[email protected]> wrote:
> Jan also came out with this today:
>
> "Grand Bois also has been working on a 650B x 38 mm tire. The first
> iteration was the Hetre, which turned out a bit bigger than intended.
> In retrospect, that is a good thing, because the added width really
> does make a difference on broken pavement and gravel roads. But the
> down side is that these tires are just too big for many bikes.
>
> With the experience gained from the Hetres, I am confident that Grand
> Bois will be able to get the size right on the second try. The casing
> will be the tried-and-true Grand Bois casing also used on the Hetres.
> The 650B x 38 mm tires should be available early next year, both
> directly from Vintage Bicycle Press and through better bicycle shops,
> just like all other Grand Bois products.
>
> It'll be great to have more choices in 650B tires. I still am hoping
> some day for a true hand-made 650B tire, like the Challenge
> Parigi-Roubaix, but perhaps with an even lighter casing. (650B riders
> understand that you don't need a 125 psi pressure rating, but a supple
> casing, to get a fast tire.) In fact, 38 mm probably would be a
> perfect size for such a tire, which most riders wouldn't use for
> serious dirt roads, but only on pavement, rough and smooth."
>
> So, add another $60 tire to the market. The other ones are apparently
> selling well.
>
> Gino
>
> On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Brewster Fong<[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 6, 7:47 pm, Tim McNamara <[email protected]> wrote:
> >> On Jul 6, 2009, at 6:41 PM, Esteban wrote:
>
> >> > The tires will initially be sold in pairs only for $118.00 per pair
> >> > and be shipped USPS Priority Flat Rate service for an additional
> >> > $12.00 anywhere in the continental US.
>
> >> So $65 a tire.  Yikes.  And I thought the Grand Bois were
> >> overpriced.  I realize there are issues like the "dis-economies" of
> >> small scale products, costs of moldings and all, but jeez.
>
> >> I'll stick with my $20 Paselas on 26" and 700C rims, thanks.  The
> >> local roads are crappy enough that spending $50 on tires is just a
> >> waste of money.  They'll be punctured or cut long before they'll be
> >> worn out.
>
> > I agree, $65 is outrageous for a tire! However, have you seen the
> > prices for the top-end Michelins and Contis - yup, about the same
> > price. What happened to all those $25-30 tires:)  Similarly, unless
> > you're running 8spd or less, the prices of consumables likes chains
> > and cassettes have dramatically increased too. I know the dollar sucks
> > and the cost of everything has skyrocketed, but when chains start at
> > $40, its not good....
>
> > On the other hand, has the 650b road market grown that much to support
> > the sale of 200 pairs of high-priced dollars? I always thought 650b
> > was a good remedy for those who wanted to make their old "racing"
> > style bikes more user friendly, i.e., fatter tires. I'll guess we'll
> > see what kind of "support" Kirk gets....Good Luck!
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