The people on this list have forgotten more about bikes than I’ll ever know but I was around the golf business when aerospace engineers and materials scientists started to revolutionize the clubs and the ball. I’m sure that the intent was to help the average player make better contact, get the ball up in the air and hit it a little straighter (and sell everybody a new set of clubs). In the hands of professionals, the new club and ball completely changed the game and forced tournament courses to be redesigned to protect par. However, for the average guy with the average golf swing, the club and ball were never an important limiting factor to better scoring. I recently heard that now that equipment improvements have plateaued, pros are practicing with old persimmon woods and balata balls to get better feedback on contact. Likewise, I read that the Lovely Bicycle blogger was climbing hills in a higher than optimum gear try to do some resistance training. When I was in the Air Force I worked on tactics against surveillance architectures. Then I was recruited into a group developing countermeasures against those tactics. I was aware of groups working on countermeasures against our countermeasures that we called counter-countermeasures. Crazy games.
On Wednesday, April 23, 2014 6:54:23 AM UTC-7, JimD wrote: > > +1 > Had a Madone. > > It was a fine bike. > > I Like my Riv Custom way more. It rides and handles a skitch better. > > It looks WAY better. > The Madone was a tool, the Riv is an object of desire. > > -JimD > On Apr 22, 2014, at 7:23 AM, RJM <crccp...@gmail.com <javascript:>> wrote: > > I've done both carbon and steel. I prefer the steel frame even with a > little extra weight since it is smoother than the madone I used to own. The > Domane might be the better carbon bike for me though since it is supposed > to be smoother than the Madone (speaking in the Trek lineup, of course) > > Honestly though, I'm not seeing the advantage of a carbon fork even though > they sell them as having vibration dampening qualities....especially when > my Riv rides so smooth. I don't see carbon riding that smooth, at least > that has been my experience. > > To each his own though. > > On Monday, April 21, 2014 7:16:35 PM UTC-5, eflayer wrote: > >> No matter how you fat you are, if you have never had the experience of >> comparing doing a climb on a 17 lb carbon bike and 22 + lb full steel >> (Rivendell), I suggest you give it a try and then get back to the group >> about your opinion of which you prefer. No doubt steel will hold up better >> through the millenia and won't crack in crash, but bikes don't crash that >> often and why not enjoy the ride in as many ways as you can? >> >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "RBW Owners Bunch" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. > To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com<javascript:> > . > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
