I AGREE !!!

Grant sold me a Long Low 58 with a very long top tube = NO standover 
clerance  way too long top tube (could have turned the stem around backward 
to fit right). NOW it is with a new  happy owner.
Charlie  

On Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:59:52 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> A dissenting opinion: I had a 56 and found the 59 cm top tube too long. If 
> you have a preferred bar and a preferred bar position with respect to the 
> saddle, there are limits to adjusting reach by adjusting the stem -- I 
> could not get the Sam's Noodle close enough to the saddle with a normal 
> stem, even with the Sam's relaxed seat tube angle. I could have used a 5 or 
> 6 cm extension, except that would put too little weight on the front wheel. 
> I ended up with the bar too high for my liking -- some 5-6 cm above the 
> saddle, when even for a "country' bike I prefer it no more than 2 cm above 
> saddle. Top tube length matters!
>
> I personally would very definitely test ride one if you can, though if you 
> don't mind very high bars, you have less need to worry about top tube 
> length. Me, I like my bars where I like them -- it's not a variable but a 
> given.
>
> The Sam would be an excellent candidate for upright bars, though.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:35 AM, lungimsam <john1...@gmail.com 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>> Most people seem happy with the Rivendell method of sizing for their 
>> bikes.
>>
>> *If this is your first bike*, just go with their sizing. You can always 
>> use a shorter or longer stem, and rotate the brake levers little more 
>> forward or back on the handlebars (if using drops) to try to buy the 
>> centimeters you need to get the reach comfortable for you. If using other 
>> bars, then it is even easier to fit for reach because you are talking huge 
>> sweep back and rise like on the Albas and Bosco bars.
>>
>> -- 
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