Hi Mike,

I don't know if I can help in making your decision, but I DO have a couple
thoughts.

After writing this I figured a summary might be helpful. :) Here's the
short version: 1. Ride the snot out of that Dave Scott regardless if the
tube is bent or not (in rhyme even!). 2. Skip the cross check and
save, save, save for a Sam H (no rhyme).

First, a dented top tube isn't necessarily an end of life issue for a good
steel bike.  I still ride (and consider an all-time favorite type bike) a
1985 Trek 620 that was in an accident before I bought it. Both the down and
top tubes are bent downward from the impact of the front wheel hitting
something (a dog was the story I was told).  I didn't notice the dents
before buying it and was dismayed to say the least when I finally noticed
the bent tubes while cleaning it up at home.  Since the bike was bent I
felt fine riding it year round including through four upstate NY winters
with salty roads.  If it weren't bent I would likely have babied it and not
ridden it as much.  So, just ride that Dave Scott if you like the way it
fits and rolls.  Don't worry about the dent.  Put a top tube protector over
it so you forget about it.  But inspect it only occasionally to make sure
it's not getting worse or leading to tube fatigue and failure.

As for the Cross Check vs Sam H dilemma, is it possible to hold off on that
new bike purchase while you save enough to get a Sam?  The Cross check is a
great bike, but it's a different bike than a Sam in a lot of ways.  I
bought my Sam used off this list for a very reasonable price.  Maybe wait
for one to pop up on the list?  In any case, Be patient and save for what
you really want.  You will be happier in the long term.

Just my opinions at no charge. Of course they are worth just about what you
paid for them.  :)

Good luck,
Aaron Young
The Dalles, OR

On Thursday, October 2, 2014, Mike K. <mikehkai...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi gang,
> Well, I have some decision-making to do involving current bike
> arrangement. I have two bikes, but need to get rid of one to make room for
> a new one. I am getting a Surly Cross Check (would spring for a Sam, but
> unfortunately, can't afford it, now matter how I slice the pie).
>
> My current bikes are both Centurions. One is an Accordo RS set up as a
> single speed, Tange Infinity tubing. The other is a Dave Scott Master,
> 14-speed with Shimano 600 group and Champion 1 tubing.
>
> I have been thinking about just keeping the Dave Scott as is for group
> riding. I have a Brooks on it and could get a small saddle bag for tools, a
> small jacket, patch kit, etc. BUT, the top tube has a small dent in it. I
> am probably like the 4th or 5th owner, if not further down the line. If it
> was a "perfect" frame I probably wouldn't even consider discontinuing it in
> my line up.
>
> The other option is to put the Shimano 600 group on the Accordo and use
> that as my roadie, then sell all the single speed parts off of it to help
> buy the Surly and a few parts I still need. Only problem with that is I
> would have the other frame to sell, and I doubt it would sell as a
> standalone frame/fork with a dented top tube. Otherwise, that Dave Scott is
> responsive and really fun to ride. I had the Accordo set up as a road bike
> and it just didn't have the zip of it's big brother. The Accordo is a bit
> better looking, though, too. That sweet red paint job with white head tube
> and seat tube. The Dave Scott is a white with the funny lightning-storm
> graphics on the fork.
>
> I like the Accordo a lot, and it has rear braze on for a rack, as well as
> a spot for a frame pump (Zefal #4 on the way!), but those would likely go
> on the Cross Check anyway.
>
> I guess in the end, either one would leave me with a road bike with the
> parts I already have. I'm just sort of looking for a few more factors to
> consider to help me make the decision.
>
> Thanks, all.
>
> - Mike in Austin
>
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