The problem you describe, Addison, is not with meat itself, but with modern animal husbandry practices, which largely are the result of feeding animals grain rather than their natural diet of grass and wild foraging. Hormones and antibiotics and pesticides are not generally needed for grass fed animals, and they get to live life on the open range. Proper grazing practices actually help promote strong plant growth and prevent the arid-ization of land. These practices are easily and cheaply implemented in third world countries.
You are right, that current grain-fed meat costs less than grass fed. This is because our nation has a highly subsidized (and thus false) grain economy. Get ride of grain subsidies and prices are at parody. With abandon, Patrick On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 6:35:02 AM UTC-7, Addison wrote: > > I'll throw one other variable into this conversation. Environmentally > speaking, meat production in this country (and others) has a terrible > cost. Yes, there are options for those who can afford it, to buy organic, > make sure the animals are treated "humanely" and not pumped with > antibiotics, etc. etc. That ability/luxury feels like a really smug 1st > world problem to me. I'm no longer a vegetarian but I've largely kept to > a very "meat lite" diet because I personally feel it's irresponsible not > to. Kind of similar to my "car lite" lifestyle. That's my choice. But I > also try to keep an eye on all components of my diet included simple carbs > which are quite bad as well. Moderation! > > I guess I'm the contrarian who at almost 48, avoids bacon and is about to > run his first marathon. I'm 5'6" and 140 lbs. with no health issues (knock > on wood). On a biking note...my power output since getting back into > running has really been noticeable. I'm riding most everything in the big > ring which is kind of fun. > > Regards, > > > Addison Wilhite, M.A. > > Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology > <http://www.washoeschools.net/aact> > > *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”* > > Educator: Professional Portfolio <http://addisonwilhite.blogspot.com/> > > Blogger: Reno Rambler <http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/> > > Bicycle Advocate: Regional Transportation Commission, Bicycle Pedestrian > Advisory Committee > <http://www.rtcwashoe.com/public-transportation-22-124.html> > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 4:56 AM, Ron Mc <bulld...@gmail.com <javascript:>> > wrote: > >> While I'm not quite lean and racy, I've never been overweight in 57 years >> - I see friends all around me leaning out to gaunt with new diets while >> other friends slide into type II diabetes. My sister has become a food >> nazi and preaches carb evils to anyone who will listen - her residual >> cravings have not improved her mood or judgment. A 53-y-o gentleman uphill >> from me died of a heart-attack this weekend - going for a walk. I have a >> friend from high school I used take hiking and wade-fishing - I don't do it >> any more because last time I was afraid he was going to pass on my watch. >> I still vote for all things in moderation and keep getting stronger on your >> bike. I;m going to eat my kolache now. >> >> On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 11:28:22 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote: >>> >>> I forgot to add that my mother has controlled type 2 diabetes and heart >>> disease for 25 years by cutting back on fats and sugars and eating, again, >>> rice, vegetables, and styrofoam chicken. She didn't get diabetes and heart >>> disease by eating rice, vegetables, and styrofoam chicken. We buy her long >>> grain rice in 50 lb bags at Costco. >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Patrick Moore <bert...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Once again, let's not forget that millions, if not billions, of people >>>> lived and live healthily -- at least, free of diseases endemic to modern >>>> Western diets -- by eating largely grains, vegetables, and a little fish >>>> and meat. The Japanese are not known for diabetes, heart disease, obesity, >>>> or short lives. My mother has lived for 91 years largely on white rice and >>>> very little fat. >>>> >>>> This does not mean that a high fat, high protein diet won't help some >>>> people, but it does mean that a high fat, high protein diet is not needed >>>> by everyone. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 7:56 PM, Jason Hartman <rjason...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> No, not at all. The last time it was checked, my good cholesterol was >>>>> 100 and my bad was 130. I love sardines, and fish in general. I just >>>>> haven't given up on carbs. >>>>> Would it make a difference? >>>>> That is what I want to know. Is this a diet just for people who are >>>>> overweight? Or with health problems in general? >>>>> Curious minds and all that. >>>>> >>>>> Jay Hartman. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, November 4, 2014, Deacon Patrick <lamon...@mac.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If "good cholesterol" means "low cholesterol" then you are likely not >>>>>> improving heart health any and are depriving your brain and neurological >>>>>> systems of a nutrient they need (cholesterol), leading to higher rates >>>>>> of >>>>>> altzheimer's, MS, and more. >>>>>> >>>>>> With abandon, >>>>>> Patrick >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, November 4, 2014 6:59:25 PM UTC-7, jay hartman wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Not to hijack the thread, but is there any reason that a thin >>>>>>> healthy person with good cholesterol, blood numbers, etc, should even >>>>>>> consider this diet? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is there any other benefit to be had? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jay Hartman. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 4, 2014, Corwin <ern...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've been cutting back on carbs for about four years. I watched the >>>>>>>> Gary Taubes videos recorded by Grant a couple months after they were >>>>>>>> posted >>>>>>>> on Youtube. Still kicking myself for not attending in person. After >>>>>>>> watching the videos, I decided to read Good Calories, Bad Calories. >>>>>>>> That >>>>>>>> book changed my life. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now I understand how I can go for a long run or bike ride, lose >>>>>>>> five pounds or so (possibly all water) and then gain it all back (and >>>>>>>> more!) eating the "endurance athelete's" dinner of pasta. I no longer >>>>>>>> eat >>>>>>>> pasta. Still eat the sauces (especially pesto!) though. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> About food for sub24O - I would take some hard cheese, Framani >>>>>>>> Chorizo and canned oysters. Probably some raw veggies too - like >>>>>>>> carrots or >>>>>>>> cherry tomatoes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Not sure why Grant does not love kale - perhaps he's never tried >>>>>>>> this kale salad: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/RCP02206/Tuscan-Kale-Salad.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I adopted the change after watching friends and family suffer from >>>>>>>> diabetes and related conditions. Never had a big problem keeping the >>>>>>>> weight >>>>>>>> off - but it's sure a lot easier now. I guess my only difficulty >>>>>>>> transitioning was with potassium. I get terrible leg cramps when I >>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>> consume enough potassium. Before going low carb, I used to control >>>>>>>> this by >>>>>>>> eating a few bananas each week. After going low carb, nothing seemed >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> work. Tried V8 juice. Tried potassium supplements. No help. Then I >>>>>>>> discovered there are 800 mg of potassium in a large russet. Now I eat >>>>>>>> a >>>>>>>> large, baked russet (lots of butter) every three weeks or so. No more >>>>>>>> cramps. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good luck. And let us know how it goes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Corwin >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, November 2, 2014 12:24:52 PM UTC-8, David Banzer wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> First off, this isn't necessarily Riv-related, or even >>>>>>>>> bike-related technically, but it is Grant-related. If this falls >>>>>>>>> outside >>>>>>>>> the parameters of this list, let me know, and Jim feel free to >>>>>>>>> delete. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've been following Grant's new blog for his new book and am >>>>>>>>> genuinely interested in the diet/exercise viewpoint that he discusses >>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>> follows. >>>>>>>>> I guess my questions are (and answers probably should be offlist I >>>>>>>>> guess): >>>>>>>>> Anyone follow a similar diet? >>>>>>>>> Your general experiences? >>>>>>>>> Your reasons for adopting this diet, and your experience in the >>>>>>>>> transition period? >>>>>>>>> Difficulties? >>>>>>>>> What would you bring on a lengthy bike ride (bike-related!) or >>>>>>>>> overnight? >>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>>> Chicago >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups. >>>>>>>> com. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups. >>>>>> com. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. >>>> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. >>>> Other professional writing services. >>>> http://www.resumespecialties.com/ >>>> www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ >>>> Patrick Moore >>>> Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten >>>> >>>> ************************************* >>>> *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to >>>> explore himself. 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Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to >>> destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his >>> needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely >>> having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in >>> electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing >>> so.”* >>> * >>> -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* >>> >>> *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not >>> money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I >>> have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; >>> and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not >>> money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and >>> though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me >>> nothing. 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