also late to the game and thought i would offer a few thoughts. i rode the oregon outback route in late july on a borrowed hunq with wtb nanoraptor 2.1 tires at 30 psi. we did it at a moderate pace, finishing in two days. we encountered some dry, sandy sections on the route that i was thankful i had the fatter tires. my ride partner was on a custom breadwinner with 700x43 clement cyclocross tires and he was far more beat up at the end of the ride, plus he was pretty inconsistent in his comfort. he's a skilled gravel/dirt/road rider having completed dirty kanzaa, several oregon gravel routes, davis double, etc. and he was frustrated with his equipment in sections of the route. granted, we were there two months after the "official" event and much drier climate, but he admitted to wanting more tire he could safely run at lower/higher pressures as needed.
for me, i didn't know any better and loved the hunq with the nano's. sometimes ignorance is bliss. cheers scott bend, or On Tuesday, December 30, 2014 at 8:19:01 PM UTC-8, Mike Shaljian wrote: > > Oh and these are the tires I would be basing the bike on: > > 1) Schwalbe Super Moto 622-60 > 2) Schwalbe Marathon Winter 622-50 > 3) Surly Knard 3" > > So gravel-grinding tours and general use, ice and snow, and mountain > trails ready. Probably would have two wheelsets, with one go-fast and > either ice or trail on the other. The ultimate Swiss-Army knife of a bike. > Go fast, haul stuff, go off-road, go camping, whatever you want. Yes please! > > On Tuesday, December 30, 2014 7:57:27 PM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Hmmm, I'm guessing there's enough clearance on the regular diamond 29er >> to make it into a B+ bike: >> http://www.jonesbikes.com/steel-diamond-unicrown-bicycle/ >> >> On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Mike Shaljian <mikesh...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >>> >>> ***96cm PBH >>> >>> And this model is sized at 63.5cm seat tube, very close to my 64cm Sam >>> H. >>> >>> On Tuesday, December 30, 2014 7:06:34 PM UTC-8, Mike Shaljian wrote: >>>> >>>> Call it heresy if you wish, but I think the Ultimate gravel and >>>> bikepacking bike may have actually arrived: http://www.jonesbikes.com/ >>>> jones-plus-xt-bb7-build-complete-bicycle-pre-order/ >>>> >>>> I talk to Jeff for two hours about my riding, preferences and wishes >>>> for an all-terrain, all-use bike and this really seems like the best >>>> possible option. I'm thinking this fits all of the requirements that Jan >>>> Heine talked about in the Oregon Outback article from BQ. And fortunately, >>>> it is sized to fit giant people with 86cm PBH's. It really may be a bike >>>> with no compromises. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, December 30, 2014 12:15:24 PM UTC-8, Mike Shaljian wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thanks for the insight, John. It seems that 45mm-max is the verdict >>>>> for a Sam H. >>>>> >>>>> If I wanted the ideal Rivendell for the O.O, it does seem like the >>>>> Hunqapillar would be the bike, riding a 55mm touring tire like the >>>>> Schwalbe >>>>> Almotion. I am considering a used 62cm Hunqapillar as a possibility right >>>>> now. It seems that my dream of having just one bike to truly "do it all" >>>>> would lead to more compromises than I want. Having an always fendered, >>>>> go-fastish Sam H. with 38mm Barlow Pass tires and a more beefy >>>>> Hunqapillar >>>>> with studs/fenders in the winter and 50+mm tires in the dry 7 months of >>>>> the >>>>> year here seems like a nice approach, but I'm still considering all of >>>>> the >>>>> possibilities. >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, December 30, 2014 7:36:21 AM UTC-8, Surlyprof wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Don't know if it is too late to post on this thread or not but this >>>>>> is a topic I've had very recent experience with. I'm currently riding >>>>>> Schwalbe Mondial 40's with fenders on my new to me 56 Hillborne (the one >>>>>> with cantis). I'm sure it would easily take 45's if I take off the >>>>>> fenders. I seriously doubt I'd get 50's on there. It would be tight. >>>>>> The >>>>>> geometry charts for the 56 SH stated 45 as the max size. I think that >>>>>> might be a good call. The one thing I was surprised to find out was how >>>>>> much rim width mattered. My rims are 24mm wide and all the Schwalbes >>>>>> measure almost actual size (Mondial 40 = 39.7 with calipers). When I >>>>>> rode >>>>>> a Surly Cross Check with Schwalbe Marathon 42's, the rims were 20mm and >>>>>> the >>>>>> tires measured 38 or 39mm with calipers. If I were to buy again, I'd be >>>>>> tempted to buy to sets of tires. 45 knobbies to run without fenders and >>>>>> 35 >>>>>> Supremes to run with for road adventures. I may get a second set of >>>>>> wheels >>>>>> in the future to have the easier swapping capability. If I can figure >>>>>> out >>>>>> a quick release for the SKS fenders, I'd be all set (If anyone has a >>>>>> solution, please pass it on). In the meantime, I'm hanging on to my >>>>>> SOMA >>>>>> Groove and looking to put even fatter tires on that. >>>>>> >>>>>> John >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, November 16, 2014 2:33:17 PM UTC-8, Mike S wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So I currently have my Sam Hillborne as my only bike, though I was >>>>>>> considering adding a front suspension/disc-brake mountain bike to the >>>>>>> stable. There's a deal for a Jamis 650B dragon pro on the interwebs now >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> $1400, but I'm thinking I could rather add a second set of very nice >>>>>>> wheels >>>>>>> with fatter tires instead. My main reason to do this is so that first >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> all, I can have a set of slicks and a set of studded tires in the >>>>>>> winter, >>>>>>> as I live in a very icy/snowy area and am bummed out by having just >>>>>>> studded >>>>>>> tank tires to ride in winter. Beyond that, I want to have a set of >>>>>>> wheels >>>>>>> with a 55mm-ish tire that can handle most gravel/firetrail/light >>>>>>> singletrack in a ride like the Oregon Outback, as I am hoping to >>>>>>> actually >>>>>>> do that ride this summer. It would also just be nice to have this set >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> wheels that can handle more aggressive off-road riding to go explore >>>>>>> different areas where I'm at (Eastern Washington). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So, I guess the question I pose to the group is: better to have a >>>>>>> second, cheap-ish mountain bike or a second set of really nice wheels >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> maximize the All-Rounderness of a Hillborne? I've been thinking also >>>>>>> about >>>>>>> Jan Heine's opinion that a rigid all-road bike with fat tires is the >>>>>>> "Porsche 911" of a gravel-orientated ride, and I want to stick with >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> plan. Also, what are some ideas about the best tire model to do this >>>>>>> kind >>>>>>> of riding? I think that 50-54mm with a moderately aggressive tread >>>>>>> would be >>>>>>> perfect, but I'm wondering if there is something better than the Smart >>>>>>> Sam? >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>> To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> -- >> Cheers, >> David >> >> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace >> >> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal >> >> >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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