I agree about the plugs.  I've never gotten them to stay in long without a 
little adhesive.  I have also seen that some of the Brooks tape colors fade 
due to sun exposure (badly in some cases).  I haven't had this problem with 
the 9 year old honey tape.  They've darkened nicely with age.

John

On Tuesday, January 20, 2015 at 8:39:48 AM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> Brooks leather bar tape isn't the same leather as the saddles (that would 
> be much too thick, of course).  It's thinner and has a wax treatment from 
> the factory (which is noted in the accompanying paperwork, iirc) so it 
> holds up pretty well without any treatment.
>
> However, I also use Obenauf's on the tape after it gets a little worn.  I 
> use Obenauf's on everything leather (though I also use silicone cream on my 
> boots once a year).
>
> FYI, the black, brown, honey, and red Brooks tape is made in Italy, and 
> all the other colors are made in China.  
>
> The Brooks bar plugs fall out quickly, in my experience.  Whiskey caps are 
> a closer replacement to the Brooks plugs, but they don't stay in as 
> positively as wine corks.
>
> On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 10:32 AM, Surlyprof <jmcc...@gmail.com 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>> I use the Obenauf's that Rivendell sells.  Stuff is fantastic.  
>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/goo13-tiny.htm
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 20, 2015 at 8:29:24 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
>>>
>>>  Do you Proofide the bar tape?
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owne...@
>>> googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Surlyprof
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 20, 2015 11:28 AM
>>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Noodle to Albastache Swap - Trek 520 Touring Bike
>>>
>>>  
>>>  
>>> I'm a big fan of Brooks tape which, of course, matches the honey saddle 
>>> perfectly.  They are expensive but I bought them after my third set of 
>>> corks crapped out in less than a year.  I bought one pack of Brooks 9 years 
>>> ago and have moved them across three different handlebars.  I only had to 
>>> clean off a little of the adhesive with Goof-off.  They feel great and age 
>>> in a similar fashion as the seat (although not quite as quickly).
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> The new-to-me Hillborne I recently purchased came with Albatross bars.  
>>> I've thought about swapping them for Albastache bars because I miss having 
>>> the mustache-style bars I had on a Surly.  Initially, I have considered at 
>>> least flipping them upside-down (as David said he tried) to achieve the 
>>> more ergonomic down drop on the front curve.  I fear I would lose the 
>>> upright quality at the bar ends that is nice to have when commuting through 
>>> the city.  If I did switch to Albastache, I would probably go back to a 
>>> shorter stem.  'Stache bars really increase the reach.  Has anyone flipped 
>>> Albatross bars over or is that just a ridiculous idea?
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> As for the quicker steering on the 'stache bars, I believe that has more 
>>> to do with the hand position being in front of the pivot point of the 
>>> headset.  More of your weight is further out so the steering action is more 
>>> of releasing of your weight from one side to the other.  It uses your 
>>> weight more in the steering.  With the upright bars such as the Albatross 
>>> and Bosco, your hands are more in line with that pivot point and less of 
>>> your weight is on the bars.  Steering becomes more of a push/pull 
>>> relationship.  At least that's what I've been able to surmise from a basic 
>>> ergonomic comparison between the drops, bosco, albatross and older mustache 
>>> bars I've had.  This is also why I think that flipping the Albatross bars 
>>> will not achieve a similar feel of my old mustache bars.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Hi, I'm John and I'm a bar-swap addict.
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 19, 2015 at 8:08:47 AM UTC-8, SeanMac wrote:
>>>  
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> I am contemplating a winter project that would convert an early 1990 
>>> Trek 520 touring bike into an around town "grocery getter"  and/or bike 
>>> trail, easy cruising bike.  My plan is to swap out the Noodle bars on my 
>>> Trek for Albastache bars.
>>>
>>> From what I have read, this looks to be a pretty easy conversion.  The 
>>> bar end shifters that I have on the Noodles should work on the Albastache 
>>> bars.  I should also be able to swap over the brake levers from the Noodle 
>>> to the Alnbastache (I've got the original levers - non-aero, 
>>> non-brifters).   Is there something that I am missing?  Will be cable 
>>> lengths be similar or will I likely need new cables?
>>>
>>> For as long as I can remember, every bike that I have ever ridden has 
>>> used drop bars, so I contemplate this shift with both excitement and a bit 
>>> of apprehension.  After all, why mess with something that works?  On the 
>>> other hand, I think that this conversion will bring new life to a bike that 
>>> does not get used very often.
>>>
>>> One other thought, what color Newbaum tape do you suggest to best match 
>>> an Brooks B-17 honey saddle that has some years on it?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your thoughts.
>>>
>>> Sean
>>> EA, NY
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