On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 8:23 PM, Mike Schiller <mikeybi...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:

> Hugh,  The Nitto S-83 are listed as 26 mm of setback.  I had one on my
> Coho (72 STA) but was always sitting on the rivets so I switched it for a
> Dia Compe Gran Compe with 30 mm of setback.
>
> I've spent many hours looking for setback posts as I have long femurs and
> can never get back far enough.  I've worked with a bike fit expert as I
> tend to have issues with my right hip.  His advice was to get the furthest
> setback and longest rail saddle possible to get my hip angle optimized.  So
> all my bikes are 72 STA with 30 mm setback posts and the seats as far back
> as possible.
>

On the ibob group there was a thread about setback. I followed it and the
link to Peter White's page on fit. Some or most of it felt intuitive to me.
The notion that a racerly position would have the rider forward and the
hips and back sliding forward and in a touring setup where comfort is more
the aim rather than power (here's where I depart from Peter White in
regards to power, its wind resistance) the bars are raised and brought back
thus the saddle needs to be brought back. Makes sense to me. I think this
can be confusing. I get where a Dutch bike that's super slack would have a
noticeable power loss but that's at the extreme! In my case with the 9cm
stem I feel cramped. I found myself purposely sliding back on the saddle.
One reason I like the Albatross bars are that they afford me numerous hand
and back positions. In the hooks I'm in a more aero position but not so
aggressive to fatigue my back and at the opposite in the grips I'm upright
with little to no stress on my neck and back.

I have a 10cm stem on the way and that might be the sweet spot I'm looking
for? Peter White and probably lot's of others subscribe to setting the
saddle first then the stem. It seems I'm going about it backwards. Most
likely I'll have a seatpost and stem or two to sell.

>
> The issue with moving too far back is that your knee will be behind the
> pedal spindle and you may end of with an overuse injury somewhere in your
> legs.  Or you might end up sliding the saddle way forward and wasting you
> money.  In bike fitting your saddle position relative to the pedal spindle
> has little to with your stem/bar position.  So you should go with a shorter
> stem if your bar/stem has pushed you back.
>

 Can one have knee flexor issues with the knee forward of the pedal axle?
Perhaps I've been slightly fore of the axle.


> You may have  flexible tendons and not have any issues.  The fool-proof
> option is to go to a bike-fitting specialist which are expensive ( bike
> shop fitters are barely adequate  IME).
>

Not immune to tendon issues. Been to a bike fit, didn't seem fool-proof
then or now.

>
> David ... they are beautiful in an ugly frog sort of way
>

Ha I love frogs! Amphibians rock!

>
> Patrick... the older Dura Ace post are nice but only about 20 mm of
> setback, but the Flite saddles  have long rails so it's a good combo. (
> I've used both)
>
> ~mike
>

~Hugh

>
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