I have no idea, Patrick. I ride the steep in SS but not with the weight 
you're talking about. And don't know how much I'd notice the ability to 
lift up on the rear pedal.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 1:56:20 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I shall have to try it. But what about *really* steep hills? I find that 
> I not only pull down on the bar, but pull up on the pedal. Would losing the 
> last be a handicap?
>
> I mean such occasions as grunting a 40 lb load up a very steep 1/4 to 1/2 
> mile hill up the side of a mesa in a 70" gear. Again, street shoes with 
> straps didn't cut it. Pulling up is required (for me) for the steepest 
> parts -- I think; that's what I need to test again.
>
> Tho' I'm getting to old not to get off an walk in such instances ...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Deacon Patrick <lamon...@mac.com 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>> Retention free works high or low cadence for me. When I read Jan's "jar 
>> lid" example, I thought "Uh, pedal/handlebar does the same thing" so I 
>> personally suspect less difference in efficiency than retention vs. body 
>> weight only. I'm not limited to my body weight on the downstroke when 
>> pulling up on my handlebars.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 12:56:08 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> I wonder if no-retention works best if you pedal small gears at a 
>>> highish cadence, rather than if you mash. Can anyone comment on this? 
>>>
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