so, i havent been amazingly satisfied with my pletscher dbl leg stand. it 
just doesnt seem that stable with a load and it tends to make creaking 
noises that are not reassuring.  i was at a bike shop a few months ago, and 
saw the same kickstand with a sticker that said "30lb weight limit" (it was 
in kg, but i did the math). i asked the bike shop guy and he seemed to have 
no idea if that was a legitimate statement, and i can find no weight limit 
listed anywhere online. its possible that that tainted my view of the 
kickstand's sturdiness. 

back to real time. i was gonna another black version, since i at least know 
what im getting with the pletscher, and the others are mysterious to me. 
and i read this on the rivendell site "*NOTE: Don't bolt these on to Riv 
kickstand plates, those are for single leggers only. If you want to use a 
double, use the sandwich and run the bolt through the plate.**"*

now, i dont really know what that means. does it mean that you are still 
supposed to use the top plate even with a kickstand plate? that would seem 
to defeat the purpose of a kickstand plate, since the top part cant fit 
between the chainstays and would therefore have to go on top.  also, the 
product page with that warning,  HERE 
<http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/k21.htm> , clearly shows it bolted 
directly to the kickstand plate. 

anyway, maybe im misreading it. maybe you are supposed to put the plate on 
top and run a really long bolt through pletscher plate>air>kickstand 
plate>kickstand? seems weird to me.

more to the point, is anyone using a double leg kickstand that they really 
like for touring with loads and standing up on not always super smooth/flat 
ground. 

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