Generally true, although my buddy's Riv custom sets up really well for
fenders, probably because he specified it needed to be built that way.
I am jealous of his custom, the fenders look so clean compared to
mine.

On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 2:47 PM, Steve Palincsar <palin...@his.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 12/29/2015 12:03 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Steve. I get the theory behind the better, but as I said, I've
>> never experienced shifting or rattling caused by the seat stay attachment.
>> This includes plastic SKS, old Bluemels, and newer VO metal fenders. Maybe
>> I've been lucky, but I'm also not sure how much play can develop at the mid
>> point if both the fore (chainstay) and aft (drop-out braze-on) attachment
>> points are secure, and the bracket is pinched well. I do understand that the
>> other way may offer a cleaner, more integrated look for high end machines,
>> and I know what you mean that the situation has improved--my newer model VO
>> fenders are easier to set up than the first iterations. (In fact I did find
>> one of my bicycles with a similar attachment, though these fenders were OEM.
>> My not terribly high end Raleigh Twenty.) And finally, if you are going to
>> design a "fancy" constructeur-style attachment for the rear, why not include
>> the fork crown eye bolt, which is not to be found on the Clem (which has
>> plenty of other braze-ons, so I doubt it is a matter of cutting corners)?
>>
>
> Rivendells are typically not really very well set up for fendering. Not only
> is there not a fork crown eye bolt, but all too often the bridges are not
> placed equidistant from the wheel centers, making it difficult if not
> impossible to achieve a good fender line.  I recall as a case in point one
> small Atlantis that needed the full length of a wine cork as a spacer
> between the edge of the fender and the chainstay bridge.  It doesn't cost
> any more to put the bridges in the right place than to put them 2-3cm too
> far away, so it's clearly not a cost issue, but rather one of not caring.
> And after all, no one who cared would even dream of suggesting using zip
> ties to mount fenders on a bike costing several thousand dollars.
>
> But then, think about the climate out where those bikes are designed.  I've
> never been there, but I've heard many times Walnut Creek is a place where it
> rains for a couple of months, and then nary a drop for the rest of the year,
> so full-time fenders don't make a compelling case.
>
>
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