Odd, I have always thought the now standard arrangement was perfectly 
logical.
You pull on the cable to move to a bigger cog/rig with either derailer, aka 
you always pull on the lever to force the chain uphill.
If you grasp how gears work, then what going to a bigger or smaller 
cog/ring is going to do to your mechanical advantage is perfectly logical 
too.
Always made perfect sense to me.

On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 10:49:14 PM UTC-8, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA 
wrote:
>
> It is a *logical* idea.
>
> Imagine if we didn't have the legacy baggage of pulling cable to downshift 
> in the back. Wouldn't it make more sense if both front and rear derailleurs 
> did the same (upshift or downshift) if a particular action was actuated 
> (such as pull or release cable)? With rapid-rise (or Low normal), Shimano 
> was just harmonizing front and rear derailleur actions so pulling cable 
> (with DT, thumbs, barends & STI) will all result in upshifts. Sounds pretty 
> logical to me and it should be easier to teach newbies too.
>
> I also seem to recall that one of the technical reasons for rapid-rise was 
> to improve rear shifting. Apparently, the downshift-facilitating ramps on 
> the HG cassettes work better when the chain is gently prodded by a spring, 
> rather than getting ham-fisted with an overly eager rider.
>
> In any case, it's not a particularly hard skill to switch to. No shifts 
> are truly critical for non-pros, so a mis-shift here or there isn't bad. 
> One can always harmonize all Shimano-equipped bikes with rapid-rise rear 
> derailleurs! :)
>
> Anyone remember the reverse shifting Sachs *front* derailleur?
>
>
> On Monday, December 28, 2015 at 11:28:37 AM UTC-8, Garth wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Rapid Rise was doomed before it even started !  If it was such a great 
>> idea then why didn't they make all shifting that way, mtb and road ?  ... 
>> _______ .....  exactly .  Saying it was good for some and not the other 
>> right there doomed it.  A solution to problem that didn't exist. 
>>
>

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