You need to take a look at Jeff Lyon's frames. The L'Avecaise is definitely "NAHBS quality" and equally definitely nicer than a Rambouillet -- not to mention the fact that it's custom fitted, not a stock frame sized in 2 cm increments.

On 03/07/2016 08:30 AM, islaysteve wrote:
I guess you can get some customs for less than $2000, but I doubt you could get an NAHBS-quality lugged frame for less.

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