I bought my Atlantis after quite a bit of discussion with Rivendell.  I 
wanted a custom touring bike but after the measurements, questions about 
current bike, etc, they said, "Well, what we'd build would pretty much be 
an Atlantis with S&S couplings.  How badly do you want that feature?"  
There were a few other fiddly bits involved but as it turned out a stock 
Atlantis exceeded expectations.  That was in 2003.  

RE: LHT v Atlantis.  One of my touring buds got an Atlantis after years on 
a LHT.  Hopping back'n'forth between them, he concluded the difference was 
real.  Not huge but noticeable.  So you really do get something more than 
pretty lugs & 2 tone paint.  Will it change your life in mystical ways?  
Probably not.  

dougP

On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 6:53:38 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> A lugged steel frame made to order by Waterford in the USA sounds pretty 
> custom to me. I don't agree with the conventional wisdom that a full custom 
> - even one from Rivendell - always gets you a better bike if the Atlantis 
> already fits, and does the stuff one wants to do with their $2300 frameset.

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