Yes, Butting, I did not use the term, just in case someone did not know what it 
meant. Yes. A properly constructed tig frame can be VERY light, I just 
fini5building the Kogswell PR frame I've had floating around for years and the 
whole bike is amazingly light! But, it's not the beast that a Clem is either! 
The Clem is stout and it needs to be to resist twisting over it's extended 
wheel base.

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