Re Swift panniers on HAR, I have this setup. It works. I use the Jr. Ranger 
panniers. I added the Arkel mounting system, which allows one to put the 
top hooks closer together, so as to fit on the top of the HAR. There's 
nothing to hold the hook on the bottom, but I've toured with this setup, 
and the bottom hook stays on. I just hook it in the middle. 

For added security, however, I plan add a bit of bike tube zip-tied to each 
side of the bottom. I am told by Swift, (I think it was Jason, and Swift 
has great customer service) that zip-tied bike tube will keep the hook from 
sliding off the bottom, were the hook inclined to slide off in the first 
place (not my experience). I haven't tried it, but I believe this will 
work. I'll probably try it because I can't resist adding more stuff to my 
bike.

I've used Swift on the HAR without the Arkel mounting system, (and I 
slightly prefer to not use the Arkel system, because plain old hooks are 
simpler.) But absent the Arkel mounting system, the Swift bags won't sit 
quite flat. The top hooks are slightly too far apart. You have to have one 
hook over the diagonal part. Is it a noticeable tilt? No. Did the bags fall 
off with this set up? No. But I got the Arkel because I have to have things 
*perfect.*



On Tuesday, May 2, 2017 at 4:24:40 PM UTC-5, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> I'm back to adding front bags to my Sam. I searched, but did not find info 
> on whether the HAR will accept non-Riv bags, such as Lone Peak or Swift.
>
> I understand Ortleib will work, and saw the thread about adding their 
> mounting hardware to Riv bags, but not interested in that solution.
>
> Anybody with first-hand knowledge of fitting non-Riv bags to the HAR?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Neil
>

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