I use SPDs, or should I say I have mastered using them and have stuck with 
them 

I stay out of the clipless/platform conversations. This is an old habit and 
muscle memory I've had since rehabbing from injury/surgery. Had pretty 
serious neuropathy and proprioception trouble and kept my foot from 
floating off the pedal at top of the stroke with double strap toe clips at 
first, clipless when the walkable cleat matured.

Of all the higher tech, lower weight, improved float range and management 
pedals available out there, I seldom observe many on our urban group rides 
who have mastered getting in and out of them, resulting in very early 
unclipping while still moving along pretty well and braking, which seems 
like a a control issue to me. I stay connected until stopped. Riv content: 
my comparatively low BB and overall frame design lets me to steady myself 
adequately without coming off the saddle. So many of the plastic go faster 
bike riders have to come off their seats, unsnap their prop foot and brake 
in the group when approaching traffic controls.  

Failure to electrically shift to a gear permitting pedaling from a stop and 
finding the pedal with their cleat and overcoming their Nelson Vails degree 
of retention force adjustment just demonstrates that I prefer to master 
what I ride. 

Tonight's offering: 
http://www.teamdecaf.com/images/CaliforniaHereWeCome26%20miles.pdf

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh


On Monday, June 26, 2017 at 3:59:32 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Andy: I take it that you are riding no-retention?
>
> Aside: interesting: I used MKS RX-1 track pedals on my gofast for a while, 
> with clips and straps and strap buttons (very useful little doodads), and 
> excessively kool old skool Rivats with leather soles and 2-bolt slotted 
> cleats. I found it quite easy to slip in and tighten the right foot. When I 
> switched to Keos, I never was able to clip with with the same aplomb and 
> elegance as with the Rivats. (Now I use almost-as-cool-as-the-Rivats 8 
> speed era Dura Ace single sided SPD pedals with old, adapted, Mavic road 
> shoes -- much easier than the Keos but not as easy as the Rivats-cum-RX-1s.)
>
> On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 10:53 AM, ascpgh <asc...@gmail.com <javascript:>> 
> wrote:
>
>> It is notable that I make more time on them in our urban rides when stop 
>> lights turn green. The combination of the apparent mysterious cycle leading 
>> to that surprise green light and the exhibited under-rehearsed clipping-in 
>> of their down foot when the color change occurs gives me almost a half 
>> block lead without mechanical advantages. I have too many years of 
>> commuting to draw the ire of surrounding motorists for slow uptake of the 
>> "GO" signal or mechanical fumbling slowing my departure from the 
>> intersection. 
>>
>

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