I prefer the heel on pedal method plus a few hairs up. I found Riv's 
recomendation of pbh -10 or 11 put me a tad high. Always felt like I was 
reaching for the pedals and my toes were pointed down to much for my taste. I 
prefer a flatter foot while pedaling. I end up around 72.5-73 with a 85 cm pbh 
measured by the old book jammed up crotch method.

Richard "it's close either way though" rios

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