You might want to surf over to Wiggy's (Riv sells their bags) and check out 
the Ducksback windshirt. I do not have one, but I have several other 
Wiggy's products. They work well and breath well. 

On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 7:41:57 PM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Thanks Will,
>
> In spite of my very good jacket situation I'm still tempted by the 
> ventile. You and Patrick should be writing advertising copy for Hilltrek!  
> Thanks again.
>
> Tony
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 5:16:10 PM UTC-4, William deRosset wrote:
>>
>> Dear Tony,
>>
>> The M65 is the duck tail model--the one issued with the extreme cold 
>> equipment (I got to spend three winters in the thing professionally)? If 
>> so, no--a ventile jacket of the same construction will not be less bulky 
>> nor dry faster. 
>>
>> In general the greenspot was a less bulky jacket than the Braemar in 
>> analogy (the Foinaven is similar), but nobody is going to mistake it for a 
>> compact jacket if compared to a W/B synthetic one, and it won't be 
>> especially quick to dry if packed. Like Patrick, I tend to take things off 
>> underneath of the jacket rather than stow it....
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Will
>> William M. deRosset
>> Fort Collins, CO
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 5:57:43 AM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>>
>>> Question on specifically DV garments, how packable are they?  I ended up 
>>> wearing my M65 on the ride in this morning (first commute in the 40's here 
>>> for me) and this afternoon it'll be 60 and I'll be stuffing it into my 
>>> saddlesack medium where it will pretty much fill the bag.  I can't imagine 
>>> the M65 being particularly good for a long day with varying temperatures it 
>>> a multi day trip unless it was truly cold. Also the dry time seems to make 
>>> it better for shorter, well defined ride periods (perfect for my commute). 
>>>  I'm curious if the ventile products do better in packing or dry time.
>>
>>

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