A riding buddy here has an Atlantis - his upgrade from a LHT. His feeling 
is that the Atlantis is more responsive, "just goes a bit faster" than the 
LHT. I have ridden his Atlantis and it is that much heavier than my Saluki 
(an AHH by another name). They are different classes of bike and if you 
aren't going to be doing the large amount of your riding as touring, I 
would hew to the AHH. 

-J

On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 6:28:36 AM UTC-8, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Drew, I have a Rambouillet and a Disc Trucker I use for commuting. While 
> not really in the set of comparisons, I can speak to using the Trucker for 
> commuting. I know it's not as responsive as my Ram and it's heavier but it 
> has some attributes I appreciate for commuting. 
>
> For eight or nine months of the year I ride to and from work in the dark, 
> generator hub and wired LED lights are necessary. Riding in the dark, 
> despite lights, still brings on some thumps and bumps you don't always 
> miss, mostly because I'm tired by the time I'm riding home and may not be 
> as attentive to wheel path minutia. To that point, I also appreciate the 
> bike's handling for my off-label use at the end of the day when I am happy 
> that it feels like it knows its way home because of its geometry.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Saturday, December 30, 2017 at 1:36:59 AM UTC-5, Drew Henson wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the input everyone,. I am in the Seattle area, and my goals 
>> this year are to do more gravel riding and to complete the Seattle to 
>> Portland ride.  My primary use, however, is a 9 mile commute (with some 
>> decent climbs in parts) with the previously mentioned 10-15 lbs.  I'm 
>> really looking for a bike to tackle the commute but also be able to handle 
>> the Seattle to Portland ride (another bike will be my gravel bike). Seems 
>> like the AHH is probably the best Riv to handle that I just wanted some 
>> opinions over the difference over the LHT.  With the LHT i definitely 
>> notice the weight on my commute and I want something snappier.
>>
>> On Friday, December 29, 2017 at 3:05:29 PM UTC-8, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Drew,
>>>
>>> I don't have time to read through all the responses but I have had a AHH 
>>> and now have a LHT. Yes there is a difference. The AHH will be a snappier 
>>> than the LHT. I always do things backwards :) What I like about the LHT is 
>>> the 1 1/8 threadless stem. If I ever do a long loaded tour then I have a 
>>> bike that costs much less so less money hanging in the garage. My brother 
>>> owned a Sam and it's nice. Not as snappy as a AHH but a great bike 
>>> nonetheless. Maybe consider one of the other bikes Riv is making now. 
>>> Anyway enjoy the process.
>>>
>>> ~hugh
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 27, 2017 at 10:36:07 PM UTC-8, Drew Henson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Are there any surly LHT owners that also have an A Homer Hilsen? I'm 
>>>> curious how the ride really differs, in practical terms.  I currently own 
>>>> an LHT and it's been a great bike, but it's "too much" bike for me.  I'm 
>>>> looking for something that would be snappier than the LHT but still able 
>>>> to 
>>>> carry a 10-15 lb commuting load.  I've liked to looks of an AHH for a long 
>>>> time but am concerned that I'd be trading one heavy steel bike for 
>>>> another, 
>>>> without much difference in the ride when it comes down to it. 
>>>>
>>>> Then there's the AHH vs Sam Hilborne debate I guess, which Rivendell 
>>>> brought up themselves when I emailed asking about AHH availability..  So 
>>>> if 
>>>> you've owned a Sam and an LHT I'd be interested in your experience as well.
>>>>
>>>> I've browsed this use group a bunch but this is my first post, so 
>>>> thanks in advance for any info! 
>>>>
>>>

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