I recently bought the Zoic Reign knickers but I haven’t been able to ride in 
them yet. They seem well made. Some sizing reference, I wear 38 Levi’s loose 
fit and the 2xl knickers fit perfect. 
Recently on the BOB list there was some interest in these.
http://www.patagonia.com/product/mens-venga-rock-climbing-knickers/83091.html

Best
Howard
Livonia Mi

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