Bill,

Please let us know how much room you have left over with the 50mm tires. 
I'm guessing to tight for fenders at that width? I know you said yours is 
to be sans fenders, but I'm curious anyway,

IanA

On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 4:24:53 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Edwin asked how I picked the size.  
>
> I own two Black Mountain Road Frames already.  They are both 59cm.  Mike 
> changed the sizing a while ago.  If I was buying one of his road frames 
> today, I don't know if I'd buy a 60 or a 58.  I talked to Mike in person 
> once or twice, and we agreed that if I was in my 20s I might have run a 
> 56.  I'm 49 and don't need my bars super low, so a 58 made more sense.  My 
> Saddle Height is 75.5cm.  If I was buying a Rivendell Roadeo, I'd get a 
> 59.  I fit well on a 55 Joe Appaloosa.  We'll see how the standover works 
> out.  I might get time to mock up the standover with my 29"x2.0 knobbies 
> tonight. 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 3:06:47 PM UTC-8, Edwin W wrote:
>>
>> Bill,
>>
>> How did you pick the size, and what are the sizes of your other bikes?
>>
>> I have looked at those frames before, but after seeing your post I went 
>> and looked at them some more. It really does seem "dumb not to buy one" as 
>> you say! What sensible bikes.
>>
>> If I had some 2-3 hour mountain bike rides in my future, I sure would 
>> want one of those.
>>
>> Mostly just biking from A to B on my Joe Appaloosa,
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>> On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 12:31:33 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> I finally bought a BMC Monstercross frameset.  Why?  Because it's dumb 
>>> not to buy one.  The only thing that had been stopping me was the 
>>> horizontal dropouts, because vertical dropouts are categorically better.  
>>> Since the last time I decided horizontal dropouts were a dealkiller, I've 
>>> acquired 4 bikes with horizontal dropouts, and guess what?  I didn't die.  
>>> Vertical dropouts are better, but horizontals are not the end of the 
>>> world.  The BRIGHT green colorway of the latest batch made it 
>>> irresistable.  So, new bike day?  The build will be a drop bar mountain 
>>> bike.  No racks, no lights, no fenders.  It'll be used for 2-3 hour 
>>> mountain bike rides. I'll post photos when there is something to look at.  
>>> I have a couple small details to iron out.  
>>>
>>> In the meantime, there have been a couple gram-counter threads recently, 
>>> and I thought I'd offer up another datapoint while I have a bare frame and 
>>> fork:
>>>
>>> A 58cm Black Mountain Monstercross frame, with Cane Creek 40 headset 
>>> cups pressed in, weighs 2257g
>>> The fork with a crown race installed and an uncut threadless steerer is 
>>> 1057g
>>>
>>> Use that data for whatever you like.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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