Hi Cody, 

Here's a link to the old geometry charts including the Waterford Sams: 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjehUKAztnO8dEFRVEYxUWpxeXNPMHZMeDZINmNUMWc

Reid in Austin 

On Thursday, August 23, 2018 at 4:12:21 PM UTC+1, Cody Bartz wrote:
>
> Thank you everyone for the information. Still looking for options. I would 
> prefer canti brakes. And sage is my favorite, but open to other colors. 
> Does anyone know much about the Waterford made Sam's? When did they stop 
> making them there? Any difference in geometry, possible shorter chain 
> stays? I currently have a 62cm Surly Cross Check. It feels a little small 
> for me. I have a 95PBH. 
>
> Cody
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 22, 2018 at 10:22:58 AM UTC-4, Cody Bartz wrote:
>>
>> Hello all!
>>
>> I have followed the group for a while. In 2010, in college, I bought my 
>> first "serious" dependable bike, a Surly Long Haul Trucker. A friend of 
>> mine owned a Hunqapillar, and I was always envious. She introduced me to 
>> Rivendell. Over the years I have bought a number of parts and accessories, 
>> always wanting a Riv. I am tempted to buy new, but wanted to put some 
>> feelers out to see if anyone was getting rid of a large Hillborne, ideally 
>> in the Sage color. 
>>
>> : ) 
>> Cody
>>
>

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