Steve,

I agree with you.  I enjoy driving also.  In my case, the enclosed
transport is an Outback 3.6R Touring.  Depending on bike length and wheel
size, you might need to remove a front wheel to fit it in.  But, we can
only go by the primary purpose given, which was enclosed transport, which
to me is cargo.  No mention was made of needing to enjoy the drive.  There
are likely many other criteria we were not given that would affect which
vehicle might work better than others.  Bike size is a big one.  A smaller
sized 26" Atlantis will likely fit in more vehicles than a 700c newer
stretched frame bike.  For all I know, he could be wanting to fit a
recumbent trike inside.  As you allude to, the trips might make a
difference also.  It might be half an hour to a starting point or a cross
country multi-week exploration.  There are too many unstated variables that
might or might not matter in making the selection other than just cargo.
As that was the only criteria I had, that is what I used for my suggestion.

Tim



On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 12:29 PM Steve Palincsar <palin...@his.com> wrote:

>
>
> On 09/26/2018 03:17 PM, Tim Butterfield wrote:
> > Paul,
> >
> > If the primary purpose is cargo, I would vote with Jeff/sameness for a
> > small work van as used by many businesses.  There are quite a few on
> > the market now and at fairly reasonable prices.
>
> Yes, but then you have to drive a cargo van, and what fun is that? In my
> case, my primary purpose is to get to the start of bike rides, but
> that's because 95% of my driving is literally that: to and from bike
> rides.  The extra 5% is shopping.  But as it happens, I enjoy driving
> and this is basically my only chance.  Forget about buying a sports car
> to drive for fun on weekends: my weekends are cycling, and I'm not going
> to give that up.  The perfect world is a sporty car that can carry
> bicycles.  I had that with my 2003 BMW 5-series wagon, and I have it now
> with my VW Golf Alltrack.  (If I lived in Europe, I'd have it in spaces
> with a Golf R wagon, but alas they don't sell that here.)  But I've
> never driven a van or a truck of any kind that was any fun at all.
>
> But obviously everyone's needs aren't the same.  The way to win is to
> really hone in on your personal requirement, and do the best you can to
> totally meet it.
>
> And I mean really meet it: don't do like this one fellow on the Paceline
> forum a few years ago who tried to combine sporty fun driving and
> transporting a bicycle by getting a Porsche Cayman to carry his S&S
> Coupled bike.  He did it once; the time disassembling and reassembling
> his bike to get it to fit into the Cayman turned out to be so great (2
> assemblies, 2 disassemblies at around 30 minutes each!) turned out to be
> so onerous he gave up cycling entirely.
>
> --
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia
> USA
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