Hey John, enjoy the Brynje stuff! Let me know how the non-mesh stuff works ... I've only used their mesh and love it, but it works completely differently than standard "solid" thermals. Aye, I'm greatly benefited by the fact there's no activity between me lugs! Grin.
With abandon, Patrick On Saturday, December 21, 2019 at 11:39:19 AM UTC-7, JohnS wrote: > > Hello DP, > > Thank you for the Brynje suggestion. I just ordered the wool blend base > layer bottoms, the thermo shocks and the zip polo top which was 50% off. > I've been thinking of buying some sort of base layer to wear under my MUSA > pants for my bike commute. I think the Brynje's will do the job nicely. > > My suggestion on cold weather outdoor activities is, it's not the cold so > much as what's going on between your ears which keeps you from going out > and enjoying it. > > JohnS > > > On Wednesday, December 18, 2019 at 10:33:37 AM UTC-5, ascpgh wrote: >> >> Snow accumulation at temps near freezing can be melted from below as >> pavement accumulates energy from sunlight passing through the snow. This is >> what happens on roofs that ice dam; the melted liquid runs down the heated >> by sun roof, insulated from the below freezing temperature by the snow >> depth itself. It's not all lost heat form in the building as it happens on >> well ventilated roofs and on long unheated overhangs. The water runs until >> it reaches the end of its insulation from the cold then freezes, building >> up its dam. >> >> Moisture connects the precipitation accumulation and the underlying >> surface will bond the two when the sun goes down or temperatures drop. >> Things get slick between the snow and the ground when water is persistent >> on the surface under the snow or when the pavement was super cold when the >> powdery cold snow falls on it, no liquid phase to give some water to freeze >> and bond the two. >> >> Thought of another urban winter hazard to be aware of: Condensation. >> >> The ramp into the parking structure where I lock up my bike, which had >> been treated with melter of some sort over the course of winter, had a >> sheen of dampness on it despite being below 0°F. As I turned onto it from a >> driveway I realized it was slick as no stick spray when I crashed. It was a >> concentrated mix of the accumulated melter on the concrete and condensation >> I presumed to be from moisture brought in by the tires and fenders of >> vehicles in the garage. >> >> "Wet" at 0°F is not water. Being flung or sprayed aids raising its >> freezing point closer to the air temp, building up in fenders, stays, >> cassette, chainrings, etc. >> >> Andy Cheatham >> Pittsburgh (20°-something, flurries) >> >> On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 at 11:53:32 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: >>> >>> When I lived in Kebek City, and discovered the anguish of trying to >>> exercise indoors, I switched to running outdoors during all weathers. >>> When it was really cold -- below 10*F/-15*C or so -- the packed snow >>> actually gave good traction; it was at higher temps that it got >>> slippery. In fact, running on very cold, packed snow was rather like >>> running on the rubber University tracks; quite comfortable. (I >>> actually felt more energetic during really cold runs, I guess because >>> there was very little energy used for cooling down. But this was a >>> consistent experience.) >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 3:05 AM ascpgh <asc...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >>> > Learn how well the fallen snow is connected to the underlying surface. >>> > >>> > Like the sound of snow crunching under the wheel will tell the >>> temperature, the adhesion of the precipitation to the road or trail varies >>> by the temperature at the time of snowfall and soon after. >>> > >>> > Nearer 32° the snow is pretty connected to what it falls on >>> (picturesque snowy boughs) and will tolerate some abruptness of steering >>> input or pedal mash. Same with snow fallen in that range followed by a >>> 12-20° drop. >>> > >>> > Cold snow accumulated on cold pavement looks all friendly and powdery >>> but acts like graphite on marble. Any grip you think your tread pattern >>> affords you has no bearing on how easily your contact patch of snow will >>> move on its substrate, just how much of it they grab and hold for the >>> slide. >>> > >>> > Andy Cheatham >>> > Pittsburgh >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Monday, December 16, 2019 at 6:24:20 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick >>> wrote: >>> >> >>> >> By way of encouragement to the weather timid, and tip sharing to the >>> intrepid, I thought we could compile a simple, growing bullet list of tips >>> for cold weather riding. Here are some of mine: >>> >> >>> >> - ride slower >>> >> - nose breath >>> >> - fishnet long johns make a brilliant base layer and everything >>> easier. Especially if you're daft enough to stop for more than a few >>> minutes while out. >>> >> - Coffee outside at 10˚F or below is brilliant (a narrow-neck thermos >>> of coffee made at home makes this much simpler. >>> >> - Boiled wool >>> >> - Listen to the sound of the snow under your tire and learn to know >>> the temperature by it. >>> >> - Knobbies and supple tires matter more than width, but width matters >>> too. >>> >> - Fixed gear means no frozen derailure and brakes always work >>> >> - Dress in layers and so so moisture freely evaporates (Gortex >>> equivilants are sure ways to boil in a bag while riding, freeze in a bag >>> when stopped). >>> >> - Perfect time to avoid main roads and explore back roads and trails, >>> MUPS, etc. >>> >> - oversize your shoes so blood flows to the toes. >>> >> - Beeswax/coconut oil blend (or similar) on nose and cheeks keep face >>> warmer and happy against wind. >>> >> - learn what layers work for you as you climb, by temp and wind and >>> cloud/sun conditions, and carry a range for when they shift. Ventilate so >>> you keep dry (fish net helps significantly with this). >>> >> - Best snow rides: trails up to 6" snow, plowed back roads. >>> >> >>> >> What are you tips for brisk riding? Enjoy getting out! >>> >> >>> >> With abandon, >>> >> Patrick >>> >> >>> >> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org >>> >> www.CatholicHalos.org >>> >> www.DeaconPatrick.org >>> > >>> > -- >>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. >>> > To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/386e197b-e954-4bcd-86f9-537709bbe525%40googlegroups.com. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Patrick Moore >>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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