Maybe take a look at the Ergon ST Core Prime? I have friends who like 
these one their errand/urban bikes.

I use a Berthoud Vars, but you already said you found Berthouds too hard.

John

On Thursday, June 11, 2020 at 9:36:30 AM UTC-7, ☆ Paul ☆ wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone!
>
> I'm rebuilding an older double top-tube Sam Hillborne from the frame up, 
> and I'm struggling to find a comfortable leather saddle for an upright 
> ride. I don't mean "kinda upright", I mean straight back like a dutch bike 
> for errands and trips around time — achieving this with a Bosco bar and 
> super long Nitto tectonic stem pushed all the way up.
>
> I'm 175 lbs, 5'11" and have 115mm sitbones and normally ride a Fizik 
> Aliante or B17 Narrow on my more aggressive bikes... but putting either of 
> those saddles on the upright doesn't work. My sitbones fall off, and I'm 
> riding on "soft tissue". Ouch. 
>
> Other saddles that have not worked:
>
>    - B17/Flyer: Too narrow. Sit bones fall off the edge, and upturned 
>    nose pokes in a bad place.
>    - B68: Too wide, chafes a bit, and slippery. 
>    - Berthoud Mente: Hard as a rock, and possibly a little too wide (hard 
>    to tell as it is so hard).
>    - Brooks Cambium C19: Sit area curves down so much on the sides it's 
>    really no wider than a C15 — or B17.
>    - Rivet Loveland: Ditto.
>
> What sort of of works:
>
>    - 170mm wide Brompton "Wide version" foam saddle I pilfered from my 
>    wife's folding bike. Feels pretty good. But really, really dumb looking on 
>    the Sam. I strongly prefer a leather saddle as the bike is turning out 
>    quite lovely, and looks do count!
>
> Any suggestions? 
>
> PS: If someone has a tried and true way to break in the Berthoud, I might 
> do it. The issue is I'll never ride a century on this bike, and I'm afraid 
> that breaking the Mente in the normal way will take a year or more.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Paul
>
>
>

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