Mat: "A general rule of thumb when doing first time projects is to estimate 
how long you think that project will take, then multiply it by at least 
four (I often make facetious comments, but this one is no joke or 
exaggeration!).  Slowing down, not rushing, I am better able to find joy in 
tasks that otherwise aggravate me immensely..."

Yes, Mat! I poorly strive to enter this disciplined contemplative action by 
remembering to work in Saint Joseph's workshop. He is stunningly good at 
transforming odd, raw material in to stunning works. I'm certainly raw 
material! Grin. I have learned much from the wisdom of learning how to 
listen to the inanimate, which are very good at letting me what they need 
though I am as yet a poor listener.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 7:57:27 AM UTC-6, Mat Grewe wrote:
>
> For future reference, if you do decide to drill & install your own 
> fenders.  Aluminum drilling is super easy.  I just use regular drill bits, 
> no need for lubrication, and put a piece of wood underneath to help 
> minimize burrs on the back side.  A file can help to clean it up, but isn't 
> strictly necessary—if you don't have one—when using wood on the back side 
> when drilling.  I like to drill from the inside of the fender out, so any 
> burrs that might happen are biting into the leather washer.
>
> The most time consuming part is measuring thrice and drilling once.  And 
> to reiterate Steve's point above, only drill one hole at a time, mount, 
> then measure the next hole.
>
> Unlike JohnS, I quite enjoy mounting fenders.  Very time consuming, even 
> Weigle stated that in his BQ article.  But if you go into it planning for 
> 15 hours of total work, which includes set up and clean up time (might not 
> need it, but first time can take a while), you will be less likely to get 
> frustrated during the process.  If I recall, you do some woodworking, and 
> the real "skill" carries over from that, which is having experience working 
> with your hands in a calm, slow, and deliberate manner.
>
> A general rule of thumb when doing first time projects is to estimate how 
> long you think that project will take, then multiply it by at least four (I 
> often make facetious comments, but this one is no joke or exaggeration!).  
> Slowing down, not rushing, I am better able to find joy in tasks that 
> otherwise aggravate me immensely...
>
> Mat
> Driftless Wisconsin
>
>
> On Thursday, June 25, 2020 at 8:26:50 AM UTC-5, Mat Grewe wrote:
>>
>> If you still have a rear rack on that bike, consider securing the fender 
>> to the rack instead of using stays.  When riding off trail, rack legs won't 
>> collapse if a stick gets caught in the spokes.  Here is a pretty awful 
>> picture, but you get the gist (I can borrow a real camera if a better 
>> picture would help).
>>
>> Mat
>> Driftless Wisconsin
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 24, 2020 at 4:47:09 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> Fenders arrived today and a bike shop (one of two I'd be willing to 
>>> trust to this, and that's with a lot of hope and prayer involved), said 
>>> they could squeeze in the fender instal over the next few days, otherwise 
>>> it'd be a month or more. They understood "fenderline" and "pinch or widen 
>>> to adjust it" and "position and drill one hole at a time" ... so here's to 
>>> it going well! Grin.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>

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