The black Shimano slide in inserts that improved the braking on my black 
Cliffhangers were that standard Shimano compound.  The compound  almost 
looks very dark brown.

You understand the MA math correctly.  there's a steep part of the curve 
for wide cantilevers, but it exists inside the volume of the tire, and you 
can't get there.   :(

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 1:35:10 PM UTC-7 John Phillips wrote:

> So maybe the question I should be asking is, if you're happy with your 
> Paul Neo-Retro's, what rims and brake pads are you using???
>
>    I could be completely confused by the math, but it looks to me as 
> though there is a curve to the response of wider profile canti's to 
> straddle height, but that curve in the response is so low, I would have to 
> put the straddle cable though the middle of my tire, at least if I'm trying 
> to match the braking of my Touring Cant's in the rear. And I don't believe 
> this solution would work out for me in my situation. 
>
>    Thanks Bill, I'm guessing the stock Shimano pads were black compound 
> pads? I'm also using Cliffhanger rims, mine are the plain silver ones, but 
> I was also thinking about trying out either the black or the dual 
> black/salmon Kool-Stops to see if they exorcised the shrieking banshees in 
> my bike.
>  
> John
>

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