Thanks Bill, you made me feel a little better in that at least I was 
understanding the math! 

Looks like I'm going to have to buy the Touring Canti's and try out some 
black Kool-Stops.

Thanks,
John



On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 1:54:26 PM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The black Shimano slide in inserts that improved the braking on my black 
> Cliffhangers were that standard Shimano compound.  The compound  almost 
> looks very dark brown.
>
> You understand the MA math correctly.  there's a steep part of the curve 
> for wide cantilevers, but it exists inside the volume of the tire, and you 
> can't get there.   :(
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, July 28, 2020 at 1:35:10 PM UTC-7 John Phillips wrote:
>
>> So maybe the question I should be asking is, if you're happy with your 
>> Paul Neo-Retro's, what rims and brake pads are you using???
>>
>>    I could be completely confused by the math, but it looks to me as 
>> though there is a curve to the response of wider profile canti's to 
>> straddle height, but that curve in the response is so low, I would have to 
>> put the straddle cable though the middle of my tire, at least if I'm trying 
>> to match the braking of my Touring Cant's in the rear. And I don't believe 
>> this solution would work out for me in my situation. 
>>
>>    Thanks Bill, I'm guessing the stock Shimano pads were black compound 
>> pads? I'm also using Cliffhanger rims, mine are the plain silver ones, but 
>> I was also thinking about trying out either the black or the dual 
>> black/salmon Kool-Stops to see if they exorcised the shrieking banshees in 
>> my bike.
>>  
>> John
>>
>

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