Wyatt:

Do you know the weight of the load you were carrying in this picture?  It 
looks substantial & camping gear tends to the heavy side.  I'm guessing 
20-30 lbs, including the bags.

doug P

On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 2:08:52 PM UTC-7, Wyatt wrote:
>
> Rode the Natchez Trace not too long ago on my Rambo. ~450 miles, all 
> paved, hammock camping. Loaded with Carradice Long Flap on the saddle and 
> BXB Teardrop on the bars. The frame isn't right for racks, imo. Wouldn't 
> want to load it much more than this, but it handled this load quite well. 
> Easily enough extra room to pick up a six pack on the way the campsite at 
> the end of day.
>
> These days, I've got it built up with 700x38 g-ones and a 1x9 drivetrain, 
> which works great on zippy gravel day rides. Wouldn't want to tour off road 
> on it, though. I think 38s are just a little too narrow for off road 
> touring, imo, and the frame clearance is way too tight for anything larger.
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2020-09-10 at 4.07.25 PM.png][image: Screen Shot 
> 2020-09-10 at 4.07.38 PM.png]
>
> On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 10:36:47 AM UTC-5 mpc...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I actually saw mine sitting on CL in Vermont. It had been hanging in a 
>> garage for 3 years due to an injury.  I went to test ride it out of 
>> curiosity and was immediately sold by the ride of the Riv. 
>>
>> Currently has the original 27 Ruffy Tuffys, gonna try to squeeze 33s on 
>> it this weekend and see how it handles more gravel riding and a heavier 
>> load.
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 1:53:28 PM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> By any chance, did you buy the one off eBay being sold by Walter? I 
>>> messaged him a few times about the bike and decided I needed something a 
>>> little more rugged, but man...that bike was very tempting.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 9, 2020 at 10:00:23 AM UTC-5 mpc...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I personally just purchased a Ram that was sitting in a garage looking 
>>>> beautiful but not being used. I've been wondering how hard I can push it, 
>>>> especially on dirt/gravel. So, Andy, thank you for your insight here. The 
>>>> more I read the more I'm gleaning that this bike should NOT be too heavily 
>>>> loaded. 
>>>>
>>>> On Monday, September 7, 2020 at 6:48:46 AM UTC-4 Fullylugged wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The Ram was intended for lightish touring and it does that well. 
>>>>> Handling with any kind of front load depends a lot on the handlebar type 
>>>>> and stem length used. I toured with the stock Nitto Noodles. I used a 
>>>>> Mark's rack with P-Clamps and a small Baggins bag with up to 5 lbs in it. 
>>>>> I 
>>>>> also used a Duluth Candy roll handlebar bag for lightweight, want quick 
>>>>> access to stuff, like lip protector, my phone, etc. Mostly, supplies went 
>>>>> into 2 Nashbar panniers on a lightweight aluminum rear rack. That was to 
>>>>> keep the center of gravity lower. Rain jacket and pants, helmet cover was 
>>>>> in a large Baggins bag on top of the rack. I had a Keven's bag under the 
>>>>> saddle with tire change stuff. The bike was a little rear heavy that way. 
>>>>> handling was fine, but picking up and carrying was different. I have 
>>>>> almost 
>>>>> always ridden the same 32 mm Paselas that were original issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> These days, that bike is re-configured as my Townie/Sunday Cruiser but 
>>>>> still has a rack in back and a Baggins bag on top.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bruce
>>>>>
>>>>>

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