On Thursday, September 10, 2020 at 9:52:10 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> What do you recommend for a rear derailleur for the following preferences, 
> listed in order of importance:
>
> 1. Shifts nicely with Bar Cons (yes, the Suntour ones) over 10 properly 
> spaced 10-speed-specific cogs (using 11 speed chain, if that makes a 
> difference). The rings are 42/28, and I let the chain sag in the 
> small/smaller cogs because I don't use those combinations.
> 2. Shifts nicely over a close-ratio cassette: 13-25 (....20-22-25).
> 3. Is reasonably durable and reliable.
> 4. Is silver of, if black, then not horribly ugly.
>
 
Shimano rear derailleurs are pretty good for use with BarCons, as they have 
a fairly high actuation ratio, meaning more derailleur movement for a given 
amount of cable pull. The only thing better would be a SunTour. Forget 
about Campy or SRAM. Modern derailleur philosophy is moving toward lower 
actuation ratios because of the need for more tolerance with indexing on 
very closely spaced cogs. My problem with using BarCons (or Riv Silver) on 
narrow cassettes is that the ratchet clicks act a bit like indexing clicks, 
but they're almost never in the right place so my hand-brain connection 
gets flustered and I spend a lot of time trying to get the derailleur 
centered on a cog. With a SunTour rear derailleur, it's almost exactly 2 
clicks of a BarCon per cog on a Shimano/SRAM 10-speed road cassette.

I have a SunTour XC Pro MD on my Riv MTB. It has almost enough wrap to work 
with a 46-36-26 front and 11-28 rear (39 teeth). It shifts brilliantly with 
Shimano 9-speed bar ends and a Shimano-SRAM 8-speed cassette. It's a nice 
combination of polished silver and black, and is solidly built (and pretty 
heavy, as a result). There are shorter and longer cage versions floating 
around out there.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI, USA

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