Thanks jrstern, yeah, it's extreme! And part of my noodling quest for 
comfort. Figured any and every configuration is worth a shot. Thanks again 
:) 

On Monday, March 1, 2021 at 12:57:27 PM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> Eric, those bars are tilted way low.  When I rode albatross I was always 
> far forward, why I switched to Choco, so I could reach more without a 
> change in shape, but I never angled my bars like that except for one test 
> ride where they slipped due to not being tightened enough.  I found that 
> position very uncomfortable.  
>
> Keep playing around and definitely stretch out a bit.  
>
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2021 at 3:46 PM Eric Marth <eric...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the replies! Shoji and Tom – I've attached a more recent 
>> picture of the bike. I do have the bars tilted down and the seat tilted 
>> back. The tilt appears exaggerated because the kickstand raises the back of 
>> the bike. 
>>
>> I think part of my problem is perhaps not leaning enough, I might be 
>> trying to sit upright and holding my head up. Need to relax, bend, let 
>> myself flex a bit more. 
>>
>> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 1:45:42 PM UTC-5 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>
>>> Something to try that made my Albatross handlebars more comfortable:  
>>> tilt down the bars a bit so the grips are slightly lower than the hoops of 
>>> the bar.
>>>
>>> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 1:25:11 PM UTC-5 Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Eric,
>>>> Is your neck pain from extending your neck? Did you have similar pain 
>>>> when using the drop bars? Other pains/problems?
>>>>
>>>> Like you, I prefer the forward position of albatross bars-- it feels 
>>>> natural for me, perhaps since I like to lean forward.
>>>>
>>>> If you would like a more upright/cruising position to try, I suggest 
>>>> tilting the saddle nose up a little bit. The up-nose position makes me 
>>>> feel 
>>>> more comfortable sitting upright, and less comfortable leaning forward. 
>>>>
>>>> Good luck!
>>>> shoji
>>>> arlington ma
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, February 26, 2021 at 1:11:27 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Stumbled upon this thread and have some questions about my own 
>>>>> Albatross fitting. I converted to these bars from drops. I've yet to fall 
>>>>> in love with them and have problems with neck pain on rides longer than 
>>>>> 30 
>>>>> miles. 
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm on a threadless bike and have tried a few stems and configurations 
>>>>> with the same bars, a total of four positions. I have 110mm and 90mm 
>>>>> stems, 
>>>>> both with 17º rise. I've tried them with the stems flipped in both 
>>>>> configurations. I should also add that I'm on a 60cm bike that is a 
>>>>> little 
>>>>> big for me. I've got less than a fist full of seat post showing. 
>>>>>
>>>>> My current configuration is with the 110mm stem set up to give the 
>>>>> most rise. I find myself, in all configurations, favoring the grip in 
>>>>> front 
>>>>> of the brake levers. 
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone out there have any ideas for improved fit?
>>>>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 4:38:20 PM UTC-5 jrst...@gmail.com 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Pete, just got the Choco bars from Blue Lug as Riv is our with 
>>>>>> no known delivery time.  I paid a $27 premium for 2 shipped so not 
>>>>>> bad.  
>>>>>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 12:02:21 PM UTC-5 Pete P wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I first tried upright h’bars on my older Atala bike. Just to see if 
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> would work for me. I bought Albatross bars and it was a revelation!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So on my Atlantis I ditched my noodle drop bars and chose the Choco
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> bars - just for variety.  I  like both of these. (I won’t go back to 
>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> now uncomfortable drop bars). 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They both have their plusses and minuses. The Albatross are wider and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Go through the doorway with more caution. The Choco bar doesn’t rise
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> up as much but the position on the curves is a favorite of mine. You 
>>>>>>> can’t go wrong with either one!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Pete
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 6:33:05 AM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Roberta.  
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 4:11 AM Roberta <rcha...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My understanding is that the *bars* are the same shape and size; 
>>>>>>>>> they differ in the stem attachment. I have  the c-m ones because 
>>>>>>>>> that's 
>>>>>>>>> what came with the bike. The norm version is more versatile. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There is a lot of choco-love here   Good luck with your search. 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 10:09:55 PM UTC-5, Joel S wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Roberta.  It is the Choco Norm I am thinking about. 
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