"Step-over differences" This is all very subjective but for me the difference of a couple inches is the difference between "that's super easy, I'm always doing it that way" and "that's kind of uncomfortable, I'll probably avoid it." My situation is a gradually creeping arthritis (it's a thing in my family) that's starting to sneak into my lower back/hips area, and some days are stiffer than others. Your dad may be more limber than I so this may not matter to him, I just know that half the time I try the step-over on my custom (or Susie) I end up kicking that dang tube. Ask me how I feel about scuffing the paint on my bikes!
"Hilltopper" Yep, I used it on an Appaloosa and it worked fine but I'm not comfortable recommeding on the slender forks Riv uses. I didn't keep mine on very long because it made me nervous, I would only use rear hub or mid-drive on a Rivbike now. I hope this information helps, just be aware that your dad may not experience ANY of this the way I've described it. On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 5:14:01 PM UTC-7 Jonny P wrote: > Joe & Leah, thank you both for the replies. They're helpful in the > decision making process. It sounds from both of you like stepping through > is a little easier on the Clem than that Cheviot/Platypus. Given RBW > propensity to not really give frame measurements, it is hard for me to > discern just what kind of difference we are talking about here. The steeper > angle down then the swoop up on the Clem is probably the reason for that. > When I called and spoke with Will a few weeks ago, he made it sound like > difference in step through height is negligible -- yet both of you make it > seem it is more than that. A little thinking to do, for certain. > > Do we even know when the Clem L's will be back in stock? 2021? 2022? > Perhaps I am concerned that it might be a great deal of time, and my buying > the frame for a dad who has provided me with a good foundation in life -- > it makes the price difference not matter much. I want him to have a > comfortable bike sooner than later. But, maybe some wait is worth it. > > Joe -- If I recall, you put a Clean Republic Hilltopper on an Appaloosa? > My dad rides with one of these wheels. It seems the Clem or Platy could > handle it given the e-assist isn't really a huge amount of power. Thoughts? > > Thank you both! > > Jonathan P. > Seattle, WA > > On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 3:36:38 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote: > >> Jonathan, >> >> I'm an older fellow (soon to be 59) who's a little creaky, too. I had a >> 55cm Cheviot and now a 54cm custom with the toptube maybe a smidge higher >> than where it was on the Chev. With those bikes I still do the thing where >> you lean the bike way over and swing the leg over the saddle, I find the >> toptube to be a bit too much of a stretch to step over as you're >> describing. I've also owned a couple sizes of the Clem L, 45 and 52, and >> could easily step over to get on. I like the lugs and lighter tubes and >> look of the Cheviot/Platypus and custom (pictured) but if the step-over >> ability is a priority for your dad, the kind of riding he wants to do would >> fit a Clem L very well in my opinion. >> >> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 2:49:13 PM UTC-7 Jonny P wrote: >> >>> Well Emily & Leah -- The excitement was short lived. Kevin went to call >>> up Riv, and since I missed the initial pre-order, Golden Pliers could not >>> actually order my frame for dad. Guess that's Riv policy. Thursday it is >>> for me. I set a block of time on my calendar so no one will bug me and I >>> will be sure to get one. >>> >>> My dad does know this bike is being built for him. We spent a week in >>> the San Juan Islands riding our bikes and kayaking early in March. He >>> realized his bars on his surly were not high enough, his back hurt, and he >>> has lost the mobility to easily hop on and off a bike with a horizontal top >>> tube. He asked me what options there are for step throughs in his size with >>> 700c wheels. I pointed out the Clem, the Platypus, and the Soma Buena Vista >>> Disc. He liked the Soma for price, but I have had an awful experience with >>> Soma in the past so I ushered him to Rivendell. We were going to go with >>> the Clem L at first -- but he is mostly using this bike for daily 10-15 >>> mile rides around vineyards and orchards in Cornelius, Oregon. The Platypus >>> is a little lighter and he didn't want to maximize to the 2.4" tire >>> capability on the clem. 700x45 on the Platypus with Billie Bars and a >>> fillet brazed stem all seem like they'll get his bars higher, his back in a >>> better position, and ease of getting on and off. >>> >>> Leah - is it your experience that getting on and off the Platypus is >>> pretty effortless and doesn't require a wild swing of the leg? >>> >>> Jonathan P. >>> Seattle, WA >>> >>> >>> >>> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 2:24:37 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I’m so excited for you guys! Jonathan - is it a surprise or does your >>>> dad know about his new bike? >>>> >>>> Today I texted Mom’s neighbor, who plans for a 50 in mermaid. She made >>>> her account and will have her finger at the ready on April 1. She’s a >>>> newly >>>> retired registered nurse, and what a gift to herself! Mom has a Cheviot, >>>> won’t they be a cute pair of neighbors on their Riv mixtes? This, in my >>>> tiny hometown, pop 200. >>>> >>>> I was chatting with Kate, another nurse who is now getting the mermaid >>>> color and I was musing about nurses and Platys - Kate, Mom’s neighbor, and >>>> I are all Nurses On Platys. We should start a hashtag. Or a public service >>>> announcement. Something... >>>> >>>> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 12:10:55 PM UTC-7 Emily Guise wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yay Jonathan! That’s where I’m getting my Platy too. It’s gonna be >>>>> awesome. >>>>> >>>>> Emily >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 10:23 AM, Jonny P <jonathan...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I just put down the deposit for my dad's 60cm Mermaid at Golden >>>>> Pliers! I am so excited to see it and get it all built up! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Jonathan P. >>>>> Seattle, WA >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 11:14:38 AM UTC-7 Roberta wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It was in Friday’s mailer. Yeah!!! >>>>>> >>>>>> *Platypus frames will be available to order Thursday April 1st at >>>>>> 12pm PST. *You'll have to trust us that it isn't an April Fools >>>>>> joke. We're going to finish all the Sam orders before starting on the >>>>>> Plattys so even though you'll be able to buy one, we'll take awhile to >>>>>> get >>>>>> to your order. >>>>>> On Sunday, March 28, 2021 at 1:30:06 PM UTC-4 Jonny P wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Just to stave off others patiently waiting on this frame -- there >>>>>>> was just a post on Rivendell's IG page saying an email should come >>>>>>> through >>>>>>> this afternoon and it *may* contain "long awaited" updates. Maybe a >>>>>>> date of >>>>>>> when we can all order these frames direct from Rivendell? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Jonathan >>>>>>> Seattle, WA >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 11:02:51 AM UTC-7 Emily Guise wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As someone who's getting a 60cm olive green, I can't wait to see >>>>>>>> that size and color either! I hope the 60cm look as nicely >>>>>>>> proportioned as >>>>>>>> the smaller ones. I always thought the 60cm Cheviot looked so gangly >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> awkward compared to the smaller sizes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 10:39:22 AM UTC-7 Fullylugged wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Looking at the Riv site and the pics and "Standard" build noted >>>>>>>>> there: The rear gearing is shown as 11-34 9 sp (my favorite!) but the >>>>>>>>> R90 >>>>>>>>> Sunrace mech in the picture will only do 11-28. Possibly, the bike >>>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>>> ship with a different rear unit. Sunrace does make an 11-34 capable >>>>>>>>> MTB >>>>>>>>> rear derailleur. Microshift is another source of nice parts for less >>>>>>>>> money >>>>>>>>> than the big name parts makers. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Friday, March 26, 2021 at 10:30:58 AM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Wow, it scales by wheel size basically perfectly, they look the >>>>>>>>>> same size if you don't know ones 650b and ones 700c >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri., Mar. 26, 2021, 5:51 a.m. Leah Peterson, < >>>>>>>>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I suppose it does because there was no demo at Riv until now. >>>>>>>>>>> The demos prior to this one (we saw them in green and silver, I >>>>>>>>>>> think) are >>>>>>>>>>> off in the wild somewhere (don’t know who got them) and they were >>>>>>>>>>> not the >>>>>>>>>>> final design. So, the container must have arrived and that means >>>>>>>>>>> Platypuses >>>>>>>>>>> will be dotting the American countryside in the next few weeks! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Really hoping they will immediately ship out the frames that are >>>>>>>>>>> going to LBSs and Riv dealers. Just send ‘em off! Clears up space >>>>>>>>>>> and gets >>>>>>>>>>> more bodies on Platys sooner. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I’m really curious to see the 60. And hopefully in the other >>>>>>>>>>> color. So far we have the 50 and 55, pictured below: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 25, 2021, at 11:38 PM, 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch < >>>>>>>>>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> So this must mean the container has finally arrived in Walnut >>>>>>>>>>> Creek?! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 25, 2021 at 7:21:23 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle >>>>>>>>>>> Ding Ding! wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news/50cm-platypus-demo >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 13, 2021, at 9:24 PM, Ray Varella <rayvar...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Here’s a Platypus Easter twist >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ray >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, March 9, 2021 at 6:08:08 AM UTC-8 Doug H. wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Leah, >>>>>>>>>>>>> I really like how you've personalized your bike with the >>>>>>>>>>>>> colors. I'm too bland to ride those colors but it really is a >>>>>>>>>>>>> piece of art! >>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 2:43:09 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ding Ding! wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, all! I am so glad you see what I was trying for. This >>>>>>>>>>>>>> bike and I are tightly bonded. I never look at it without >>>>>>>>>>>>>> smiling. Ever. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it will be old news soon, because there will be a pile o’ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> new Platys for us to admire! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rich asked: The front derailleur is Shimano Deore. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 8:00:27 AM UTC-8 RichS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leah, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is one breathtaking bicycle. My compliments! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You may have addressed this in an earlier post but what >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> front derailer is on there? Thank you! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Rich in ATL >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, March 8, 2021 at 10:32:11 AM UTC-5 Ray Evans >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you and that glorious bike need to go into a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Witness Protection Program now. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 9:08 PM Joe Bernard < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joer...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That bike with all its glorious teal and rose and Brooks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and bags is - and there is no higher compliment from me - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> CRAZY. As the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kids would say, it's ridiculous! Excellent work all around >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from Leah the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parts/paint picker, Analog Cycles for the parts/ano, and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pro shop that >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> put it all together. And Grant/Riv for the bike! 👏👏👏🏆🏆🏆 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe "I have a custom and I'm still jealous of Leah's bike" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bernard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday, March 7, 2021 at 7:53:12 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ding Ding! wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (This message should have preceded my photos, but it was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too large and was not sent. Since the file is too large, you >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can see it on >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Instagram or the Facebook groups if you like.) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, while we wait for the ship to be unloaded (MONDAY! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 🥳), I made a video of my Platy because...IT’S FINALLY >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COMPLETE. I was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waiting on a bunch of rose anodized parts and a Randi Jo bag >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in custom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> colors and all of those things arrived on Thursday and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> whisked the whole >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> getup to the bike shop for assembly. Here’s a video that may >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not show up. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So after that, I’ll send pics. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2021, at 4:08 PM, Joe Bernard < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joer...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "For what's it worth I had a dream last night that I went >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Rivendell and the Platypus frames all showed up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defective. They tried >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sell me a fat-tired folding E-bike. Terrifying stuff." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The way this would work in real like (cuz I'm the ebike >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liker around here) is I would be in the parking lot selling >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that e-folder >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out of my trunk and Grant would be chasing me off the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> premises 🤣 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 11:15:03 AM UTC-8 Tom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wyland wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike M: Just turn on closed captions for English-ish >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translation. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For what's it worth I had a dream last night that I went >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to Rivendell and the Platypus frames all showed up >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> defective. They tried >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to sell me a fat-tired folding E-bike. Terrifying stuff. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 4, 2021 at 12:23:18 PM UTC-5 velomann >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bluelug just posted a Platypus build video. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wish I understood Japanese! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ga8o1WKWgXs&t=537s >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mike M >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/5Qe4GAOJReQ/unsubscribe >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web 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