Daniel, I bought an Atlantis last summer and sold it in a month or less. 
 For me the long chain stays were not to my liking.  I was lucky to find a 
new Sam at a dealer before Riv got their last shipment in.  I really like 
the Sam Hillborne and run it with 48mm tires.  It rides and handles great. 
 I use Choco bars and sit at about 50-60 degrees, so not bolt upright, and 
I hold the bars either on top of the break levers or further up maybe close 
to the hoods on a drop bar.  You should, if possible try to ride them, I 
was unable too before purchasing any of the Rivendells I have bought over 
the years.  

If there is a list member near you who has one  I bet they be happy to help 
you.  

Good luck

Joel



On Tuesday, June 8, 2021 at 11:07:24 AM UTC-4 daniel....@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm glad I recently found this group, I am hoping you can help me out!
>
> I am planning on ordering a Rivendell frameset in the near future 
> (whenever they are in stock, I am patient). I am just having a hard time 
> deciding what might be right for me between the Sam Hillborne and the 
> Atlantis, mainly on the geometry.
>
> I would be using the bike for a half-hour commute on road / bike paths a 
> couple of times a week with panniers, and also for weekend rides of ~1-2 
> hours mostly on gravel roads. I want to build it up with drop bars and 
> something around ~45mm tyres.
>
> My PBH is 91cm and my previous drop bar bikes have had a ~60cm top tube. I 
> am tall enough that I have never owned a road bike that is capable of 
> getting the bars level with the saddle, even with a riser stem! My hope for 
> a Rivendell is to set it up with drop bars that can actually be level with 
> the saddle, and to have a bike that will be with me for life.
>
> I have always LOVED the look of the Atlantis, especially with the extra 
> rainbow top tube. The colour and the head badge are beautiful. For this 
> reason alone it would be my first choice, however… my concern is that in my 
> size (59 cm) the top tube length is 64cm which seems very long, like it 
> would be too long for drop bars. I get the feeling that maybe the “new” 
> Atlantis is more optimised for upright bars? Does anyone have recent 
> experience with drops on the Atlantis?
>
> Sam Hillborne is a beautiful looking frame too (in orange). The geometry 
> seems to be more “standard” and it would fit my needs nicely. However I’m a 
> little confused on size, the geometry charts on the Riv website lead me to 
> believe there is a 58cm which would be my size, or possibly a 62cm which is 
> the next size up. The text on the Sam Hillborne page suggests there is a 
> 60cm model as the biggest - have they recently updated the sizing and 
> geometry? 
>
> I think I really want the Atlantis but am hoping for reassurance on the 
> fit. Any light you can shed on this would be great!
> Thanks
> Daniel 
>

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