I took a 20 yr old long cage Nexave rapid rise off a donated TREK Navigator 
yesterday and replaced it with an easier to adjust normal action  Altus.  I 
was just going to toss the Nexave, but if anyone wants it for the cot of 
postage to wherever they are, message me (before trash day :) ).

Bruce

On Friday, August 13, 2021 at 1:01:42 PM UTC-5 Matthew P wrote:

> Nice Nick and Joe! Thats great info. -Matthew
>
> On Thursday, August 12, 2021 at 6:43:02 PM UTC-7 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> On Friday, 13 August 2021 at 5:19:50 am UTC+10 Matthew P wrote:
>>
>>> Ignoring Sram because I am unfamiliar, and a road vs. mtb/mtn 
>>> difference, lets say within Shimano mtb/mtn freehub bodies and cassettes, 
>>> the widths are the same 8 speed through 12 speed. Double check me here: 
>>> https://www.sheldonbrown.com/speeds.html So a rear derailer has to 
>>> travel the same distance inboard-outboard-wise for 8-12 speeds, staying 
>>> within the confines of friction shifting.
>>
>>
>> Actually, no. The Shimano MTB freehub body ramains the same width, but 
>> from 11s onwards the cassette is 1.85mm wider - the largest cog on a 
>> 11-speed MTB cassette overhangs on the inside so that it can fit on the 
>> shorter body. So the derailleur has to be able to travel that extra 1.85mm 
>> sideways to shift across an 11s cassette. Shimano 11s road hubs have a 
>> freehub body with splines that are 1.85mm longer than their 11-speed MTB 
>> hubs - because the smaller largest cog on most road cassettes doesn't allow 
>> the cassette to overhang on the inside without the derailleur fouling the 
>> spokes in the smallest gear. The exception on their 11s road cassettes are 
>> the HG-800 and HG-700 11-34 cassettes, where the largest cog is big enough 
>> that it can overhang ok, so those cassettes will fit on an 8/9/10 freehub.
>>
>> Not that the extra throw required causes a problem in real life. I've 
>> used a Deore XT 7s RD on a 9s cassette, and 9/10s RDs with 11s cassettes, 
>> and they've had no problem shifting across the entire cassette. And on the 
>> SRAM side, it's their 10s MTB derailleurs (usually labelled "Exact 
>> Actuation") that are compatible with their 11s road shifters, if you want 
>> to run 11s indexed on a drop bar bike with a wide range cassette.
>>
>> Nick
>>
>

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