Hi Bones,

We all like to tinker with bikes and try new things... if you have some 
appetite for a Homer, just go for it - you won't be disappointed. If you 
want racks then the Homer is the way to go, but be aware that if you add 
racks, bags, etc... it might not feel as zippy anymore.

After owning 6 different Rivs over the years including a Sam and Homer 
which I just sold, I've come to realize that I was always in search of an 
idealized version of a bike, one which I will probably never attain. When I 
read the thread I started wondering why did I just sell my AHH? It's 
exactly what I want... but then remembered that the other Rivs I have can 
be configured to do the exact same thing the Homer did.

Basically what I'm saying is I agree with Ben, my take is that setup 
matters more than anything for most Rivs, tires, handlebars and drivetrain 
in that order. These bikes are incredibly versatile and for the most part 
able to successfully fill different roles depending on which version of the 
bike you end up building. I think swapping out these parts on a Sam, Homer 
or Roadini frame will yield greater results than swapping out the frame 
itself. This is true for most frames unless you go to an extreme like 
compare a custom road with a Bombadill, perhaps there you will be hard 
pressed to make them both feel the same.

Max 
On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 11:27:28 AM UTC-4 bjmi...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Good morning,
> I don't have any personal experience with Sams or Homers, but going of 
> what you are describing and what Riv says, here's my take...
>
> You're right in thinking that Homer will be between Sam and Roadini, but I 
> think it's almost identical outside of color, brake type, and according to 
> Rivendell, Sam has slightly stouter tubing. I can't imagine that slightly 
> lighter tubing on a very similarly sized and designed frame is going to 
> yield a significantly different ride/feel. But I'd love to hear from 
> someone with lots of saddle time in both frames to see what they think.
>
> I have an Atlantis and I lust for Sam as a lighter, zippier option for 
> rides where I want to go for hours on roads and light gravel/dirt...so I am 
> totally with you on wanting to find something different enough from my 
> current bike, but I don't think the Roadini would be quite stout enough to 
> be an all-road solution. 
>
> Ben in Omaha 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 23, 2021 at 9:38:52 AM UTC-5 Bones wrote:
>
>> I know these comparisons have come up frequently, but here is my 
>> particular situation:
>>
>> I had a 62 Hillborne. It felt too similar to my Appaloosa, so I got a 61 
>> Roadini. I've been riding that for a year and a half and I love it. It 
>> serves the purpose the Hillborne was meant to serve (the Hillborne always 
>> felt a bit too bulky for my intended purpose... which is primarily riding 
>> on roads with light loads). 
>>
>> Sometimes I feel like I overshot with the Roadini though, and the Homer 
>> would be the best choice. I sometimes wish I could put fenders on it, 
>> without having to go with a smaller tire (currently running Barlows on 
>> Quills --> ~41mm). I sometimes wish I could add a small front rack without 
>> using P-clamps.
>>
>> Being a tall and slender fella, pretty much every Rivendell is overbuilt 
>> for me for any of their stated purposes. What I am getting at is would I be 
>> losing anything if I swapped the Roadini for a Homer? Clearly I would gain 
>> in functionality. I am indifferent with respect to the chainstay lengths. I 
>> just want to be sure that the bike would have the same lighter feel that I 
>> experience with the Roadini.
>>
>> Any insight is much appreciated!
>>
>> Bones
>>
>

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