Hugh, The Miche is just a regular road post that happens to have a distinct appearance that can appeal, or repel, a broad audience. The few posts labelled for track riding usually have the NJS certification. 44mm width rails are the norm for regular use, while track posts can be either 44 or 30mm. What's funny is that right now Europe is still a good source for bike parts. Many of the shops for example sell the 350x26.8 Ritchey classic 2-bolt seatpost in black, whereas it's not in the US. If I wanted a black post I'd surely consider one of those as it has a proper length clamp for the rails, 25mm setback, and decent bolts.
Seatpost sizes have always been all over the place though. My '83 Stumpjumper took a 26.4 or 26.6, I can't recall exactly. Posts came in .2mm increments from the likes of even Shimano. It really comes down to the builders choice of seat tube brand and spec. All my road racing steel frames took a 27.2 post, so I had Campy posts for those. But those frames all used a similar spec tubing that was used at the time. It was no "standard" , it was just what was chosen and copied. The bottom line is no one is forcing me or anyone to do business with Rivendell or any other mfr. The specs of stock Riv frames are usually listed in plain sight, if not it's up to the buyer to ask and not assume anything. If I order a custom frame I ask and confirm every last detail pertinent to fitting parts. Never assume anything ! There's a whole lot of things that Riv likes/promotes/claims that I either don't agree with or find not to be the case at all. None of that is going to stop me from doing business with them in the commonalities we do share, even if but one single thing. It's the same way with this group, friends and family or anyone else. Live and let Live, thriving on It's Infinite variety. On Wednesday, October 20, 2021 at 2:58:06 AM UTC-4 Hugh Smitham wrote: > On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 11:20 AM Garth <gart...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Here is the previous thread about the 26.8 seatpost size. >> >> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/2ivUFNnqt-I/m/_wGi3ofDBwAJ >> >> To Hugh and anyone else taking issue with the post size, by all means >> contact Grant @Riv. We can ask why 'till the comes come home here but not >> asking Grant/the designer is overlooking the obvious. Sure "they" @Riv may >> read this but to ask and complain without directing it to the source of the >> question is fruitless. Speculation speculates and that's all it does. >> > > Pretty much said earlier that perhaps I would ask the man himself. I'd say > the spirit of my post was, dang limited choices and did anyone know why > the diameter changed? As I see it this forum is to ask questions and to > some extent speculate. I personally don't see it as a problem, unless of > course it becomes a problem with wild conspiratorial chatter. > >> >> I'm no fan of 26.8 either as I have some new 27.2 black Salsa Shafts >> awaiting frames. Those are by far the best post I've used, including the >> 2-bolt Nitto. I don't mind some black parts myself as they are so easy >> clean and they never corrode. >> > > Agree with the two bolt design and depending on the build black is fine. > My current Atlantis leans towards silver but I relented with some black > bits out of economic necessity. The next build will lean towards black so > no bias either way. > >> >> >> I've done a deep dive into 26.8 posts worldwide and while yes you can >> find some besides Nitto, the choices are meager. Then again even in 27.2 >> the choice isn't great as it seems on the surface. Many if not most of the >> lower cost posts are various rebranded Kalloys. Myself I wouldn't use one, >> mostly due to their shallow bolt design and some with a small clamp area. >> If you're good at searching things online you'll find a few others but most >> are black, if that matters to you, and few if any have a full 23-25mm >> setback. So I ended right back to getting a Nitto S-83. The price is >> outrageous for a post if you really think about it...... but then again >> .... the egomaniaclal "I'm so offended....." doesn't discriminate as to >> what the offence may appear to be as long as it's fed. The only way to >> "win" that game is to not play at all and be on your very merry way. >> > > Thank you for validating my point, just meager pickings to begin with and > most are unacceptable for my preference. I'm not too bad at searching > the internet but I'm no Steven Hawking level genius searching for > seat posts. Getting offended?? Over limited choices? I guess some might be > so egomaniacal but most are probably just a bit frustrated and a bit > curious. I'll leave it at that. > > I'm not opposed to shelling out $120 or $130 for a well made post. Heck I > have a Paul Handsome post on a bike ~$200 but that was 27.2 and there by my > accounts more choices. > >> >> >> The best looking 26.8 post that does have some setback is a Miche >> Supertype. Retroregression sells them in various colors but the silver has >> been out of stock since last year. They have gold and blue and red though >> ..... I would've gotten a gold one but decided to get a Nitto instead. >> > > Thanks for the suggestion, the Miche Supertype isn't that considered a > track bike post? I honestly don't know what difference that would be? The > look isn't my favorite. I wish this post came in 26.8 > > > https://www.sim.works/collections/featured/products/froggy-seatpost?variant=35858115461286 > > > ~Hugh > >> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 8:45 AM Toshi Takeuchi <tto...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Laing, your point is exactly my point. If you use the same lugs you do >>>> not change the OD otherwise the lugs would not work. If you want to use >>>> the same lugs and want a thicker tube, then it must get thicker on the >>>> inside, so the inner diameter must decrease with a thicker tube. That's >>>> my >>>> understanding of why the seat post is now smaller in diameter. >>>> >>>> Toshi >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 19, 2021 at 7:54 AM lconley <lco...@brph.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Lugs attach to the OD of the tube and have nothing to do with the ID >>>>> of the tube. My second Sam Hillborne, in orange metalflake, had the same >>>>> lugs as my 1st, but used the 26.8 seatpost. >>>>> Gotta go - the UPS guy is at the door with my Crust Clydesdale fork. I >>>>> am going to call this latest creation Conley's Crustendell Clementine >>>>> Clydesdale Cargo Cycle (but sadly awaiting the Cliffhanger rims till >>>>> December). I love a good alliteration. The black fork even matches the >>>>> black Clementine. >>>>> >>>>> Laing Conley >>>>> Delray Beach FL >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 10:37:40 AM UTC-4 cycli...@gmail.com >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Hugh, I had my little rant about this same issue back on Nov 24th >>>>>> last year. I assumed the change on the Hillbornes was made when they >>>>>> changed the style of the seat lug. The ends of the seat stays on my >>>>>> 2015 >>>>>> Hillborne (sidepull brakes) where they meet the seat lug are of a >>>>>> different >>>>>> style than the current models. I assumed that was the reason, but I >>>>>> notice >>>>>> the Platypus and the Appaloosa use the same style as my Hillborne, but >>>>>> both >>>>>> those frame take 26.8mm seatposts. Seems odd that the wall thickness >>>>>> used >>>>>> in the seat tube of the Hillborne would change after 2015, but I guess >>>>>> it >>>>>> did, hence the change to 26.8mm seatposts. Anyhow, I'm with you on >>>>>> this. >>>>>> Definitely limits ones options. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 6:43:25 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I asked Will about this recently and he said something to the effect >>>>>>> that Grant didn't want to ream out as much from the seat tube hence >>>>>>> thicker >>>>>>> tube and thinner post. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm with Laing and would like that lugged seatpost in a 26.8, >>>>>>> please! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 8:05:10 AM UTC-4 lconley wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rivendell switched over to mostly 26.8 seatposts maybe 5-6 years >>>>>>>> ago when they started using thicker tubing across the board. My 1st >>>>>>>> Rivendell (of 13) was a sidepull double top tube all-blue Sam >>>>>>>> Hillborne in >>>>>>>> 2011 and was 27.2, every other Rivendell with a 28.6 (1-1/8) OD seat >>>>>>>> tube >>>>>>>> since has been 26.8 except the thin tubed Frank Jones Sr with a 27.2 >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> the Bombadil with a 27.0. I just wish that they would issue the lugged >>>>>>>> seatpost in 26.8. I put a 27.2 lugged seatpost in the Bombadil by >>>>>>>> honing >>>>>>>> the ID if the seat tube with an automotive brake cylinder hone. I use >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> hone on all my frames anyway to smooth the interior of the tube so >>>>>>>> that the >>>>>>>> frames don't scratch the seatposts. In the case of the Bombadil It >>>>>>>> just >>>>>>>> took a couple of evenings and an extra set of stones to enlarge the >>>>>>>> diameter. The Hubbuhubbuh and Clementine use even larger seat tubes >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> seat posts. My custom uses 31.8 OD tubes for the entire main triangle >>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>> uses a 29.0 seatpost (1.4mm thick seat tube) - made for an interesting >>>>>>>> search - ended up with an very cool 30 year old NOS Campagnolo Icarus >>>>>>>> MTB >>>>>>>> seatpost. I grew up on French bicycles, so alternate component >>>>>>>> standards >>>>>>>> were always part of cycling to me. Much more pleasurable using Google >>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>> telephoning multiple bike shops and hitch-hiking across the state in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> seventies to get a 26.4 Campagnolo Record seatpost. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Laing >>>>>>>> Delray Beach FL >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 19, 2021 at 5:57:29 AM UTC-4 Nick Payne wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 19 October 2021 at 7:37:04 pm UTC+11 Nick Payne wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> If you use a seattube with thicker 0.9mm walls (say for a touring >>>>>>>>>> bike designed to carry a load), then that will take a 28.6mm >>>>>>>>>> seatpost. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That should have been 26.8mm seatpost, not 28.6. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/232661c3-d738-4bdc-ac36-393921046a76n%40googlegroups.com >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/232661c3-d738-4bdc-ac36-393921046a76n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>>> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/PJBZce5BzpY/unsubscribe >>>> . >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAGB59xz4nnK7ROH%3DehmQFj1wXcddnCY5C1jV4NP2YQXuzTmNGg%40mail.gmail.com >>>> >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/CAGB59xz4nnK7ROH%3DehmQFj1wXcddnCY5C1jV4NP2YQXuzTmNGg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >> Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/PJBZce5BzpY/unsubscribe >> . >> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >> rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7a389eb4-a12c-400d-b446-0ade562425d6n%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/7a389eb4-a12c-400d-b446-0ade562425d6n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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