I had a bike welder braze on posts for v-brakes only on the front of my Bleriot. MUCH better stopping!
On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:50:42 AM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote: > Second this. Those long reach calipers are a bad design concept. You can > try to make them less bad, but they’ll never have the power of your V > brakes. > > I won’t buy a frame that takes these brakes anymore (with the possible > exception of a fixed gear frame) > > Eric > > > On Monday, December 20, 2021, Jeremy Till <jerem...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Unfortunately the VO Grand Cru brakes are 47-57mm reach and the sidepull >> Sams were designed for 55-76mm reach brakes. The nomenclature gets >> confusing because for a while the former was the spec for "long reach" >> caliper brakes, until the latter came along. Following Paul Components, who >> used to make versions of the Racer brake for both reach specifications, I >> usually refer to 47-57mm brakes as "medium" or "mid reach" and 55-76mm as >> "long reach" now, but I'm sure that's not universal across the industry. >> >> As others have noted, in 55-76mm reach the options are very limited, with >> the longer-reach Paul Racer (distinguished from the mid-reach Racer M) >> being the usual upgrade if Tektros aren't cutting it. Unfortunately, the >> longer-reach Racers are now out of production so you're looking for used or >> NOS ones. I think Dia-Compe also makes some centerpull options but I'm >> skeptical if they would be an upgrade over Tektros. >> >> Personally, as much as I respect Grant, my feeling is that 47-57mm is >> pretty much the reach limit for center-mount caliper brakes; anything >> longer than that and you're really battling flex in the long arms, and >> would be better off going to cantilevers or brazed-on long reach >> centerpulls like the Rene Herse or Grand Bois MAFAC clones. >> >> -Jeremy Till >> Sacramento, CA >> >> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 8:24:37 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote: >> >>> Ryan, >>> Thanks for that...if Jan likes them, I'm sure I would, too. His one >>> gripe, though, is that they don't open up wide enough to clear a 31mm tire. >>> I take off my front wheel to transport my bike to trails...I guess I could >>> just deflate/inflate when I do that. I'll give it some thought. >>> >>> Thanks again, >>> Ben >>> >>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:11:32 AM UTC-6 Ryan wrote: >>> >>>> VO Grand Cru brakes are good. Jan Heine reviewed them very favorably >>>> here. Not dead cheap but they're good looking and they work well. I >>>> replaced some Super Record brakes with these paired with TRP RRL's and I >>>> have no complaints. >>>> >>>> >>>> https://www.renehersecycles.com/product-test-velo-orange-grand-cru-brakes/ >>>> >>>> >>>> I >>>> >>>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 9:24:34 AM UTC-6 Shoji Takahashi wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Ben, >>>>> For rim brakes, it's hard to beat the power of V-brakes. >>>>> >>>>> Side-pull R559 is at a further disadvantage because of the arm length. >>>>> They worked ok on my AHH, but I changed to Paul centerpulls, which seem >>>>> to >>>>> have more power. I recall reading that VO's Grand Cru brakes work well-- >>>>> perhaps because they're beefier than R559. >>>>> >>>>> (Also consider the brake pads. Riv seems to like the "ebike" Kool Stop >>>>> pad.) >>>>> >>>>> Good luck! >>>>> shoji >>>>> Arlington MA >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, December 20, 2021 at 10:02:43 AM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Good morning! >>>>>> I picked up a 2013 Sam in late October and LOVE it for a billion >>>>>> different reasons. >>>>>> >>>>>> However...one area where I really prefer my Atlantis is braking. I >>>>>> have the Shimano DXR MX70 levers and v-brakes on the Atlantis and I feel >>>>>> like the stopping power is incredible. This is my commuter bike, set up >>>>>> with chocos for upright riding with lots of stops. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sam has Shimano Tiagra levers and the Tektro r559 brakes. They just >>>>>> feel a million times weaker. I can stop, but it's a much more gradual >>>>>> experience than the v-brakes. The braking feels squishy. Like...I pull >>>>>> the >>>>>> levers and the pads hit the rims, but I can keep pulling the levers and >>>>>> there's just not much that happens in terms of stopping. It's almost as >>>>>> if >>>>>> not enough force gets transferred into the pads. >>>>>> >>>>>> The brakes are set up correctly, slight toe-in, arm that moves up >>>>>> toward the rim has pad touching at bottom of braking surface, arm that >>>>>> moves down toward rim has pad at top of braking surface. I think they >>>>>> contact the rim with the appropriate amount of movement of the lever, >>>>>> too. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm about to re-do all cables and housings (even though it kind of >>>>>> kills me to undo one of Mark's bar wrap jobs). Any tips on getting a >>>>>> little >>>>>> better braking out of this setup, or are the r559s just going to not be >>>>>> as >>>>>> good as v-brakes no matter how nicely they're set up? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for any and all thoughts! >>>>>> >>>>>> Ben in Omaha >>>>>> >>>>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "RBW Owners Bunch" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d26a0a44-9157-41a9-8003-fed3d4b5c55an%40googlegroups.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/d26a0a44-9157-41a9-8003-fed3d4b5c55an%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. 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