As much as I think rackless systems are neato, and it's easy to run pannier 
free with the many bag manufacturers now in fair weather and s240 style 
camping. I absolutely love the look of low rider racks and good set of 
panniers which are great except for lots of bumpy roads and narrow single 
track. 

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 9:51:17 AM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com wrote:

> Here's how I loaded my Clem L for seven or so days on the road (OAK - SLO, 
> very slow). I regret not having a rack for panniers; it was a pain digging 
> around and packing the Nelson longflaps with not enough room for my gear. 
> Having more bags would have helped spreading items out for easy access and 
> packing. In any case, Clem L handles really well while carrying gear and 
> feels acceptably "fast" for multi day touring.
>
> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 9:56:36 AM UTC-8 meti...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I certainly plan to pack my new Clem L for camping! 
>>
>> Long ago I spent weeks in Europe (on several different trips) on a 
>> packed-out Motobecane Grand Touring bike with skinny little tires. I added 
>> a temporary Blackburn rear rack, slapped some panniers on it, threw some 
>> sort of front-bar bag on the handlebars, and despite tons of flats (we 
>> eventually stuck to the roads rather than gravel trails), the bike did fine 
>> and we had a blast. I’m sure it wasn’t pretty, but it was wonderful, and 
>> now I can flip a bike over and whip out a tube change like nobody’s 
>> business. 
>>
>> (I’ve traveled a number of the Adventure Cycling Association routes the 
>> same way, too, Jeff, and it was so much fun to see how other bicyclists 
>> handled their gear. We can complicate the most simple experiences, and I 
>> want to be more like those easy travelers…they make me laugh)
>>
>> Anything will work, if you let it. :) Have fun on your bike-camping trips.
>>
>> Liz
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 11:53:35 AM UTC-5 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with John G: pretty much any bike can be used for 
>>> cyclotouring/bikepacking.  I don't have a Clem (I have a Rambouillet), but 
>>> Grant designs framesets with strength and reliability in mind.  It is 
>>> steel, so absolutely, it should be fine.
>>>
>>> If you ever have a chance to visit Adventure Cycling Association's (ACA) 
>>> HQ in Missoula, MT, you can see many of the original rigs that were used.  
>>> Absolutely fascinating.  They just took what was available and invented 
>>> solutions.  Those folks were animals, too: you gotta check out the tall 
>>> gearing they had.  At the same time, they were young and in the prime of 
>>> their lives.....
>>>
>>> Fast forward to 2022: there are so many gadgets now to enable one to 
>>> attach something to your frame and fork.  Check out Bikepacking.com 
>>> <https://bikepacking.com/> for a complete rundown.  They have a wealth 
>>> of information.  Be careful though: it is a true rabbit hole.  It's like 
>>> going to REI.  You just keep buying stuff!  
>>>
>>> In 2017 we used (because they were one of the first to market) King Cage 
>>> USBs (Universal Support Bolts).  Extremely handy and strong.  We used sets 
>>> of them to support King Cage Manything Cages on our forks for the Great 
>>> Divide.  They were truly tested: because we could be cycling through areas 
>>> with no water sources for our water purifier, we carried 3-liter containers 
>>> of water.  Note: there are now several solutions out there in addition to 
>>> the King Cage USB.
>>>
>>> Enjoy and have fun!
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>> Claremont, CA 
>>>
>>> P.S.: Voile straps are your friend!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 7:47:22 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Wondering if there are any Clem L owners here using their rig  for 
>>>> bikepacking excursions? Seems like an ideal platform in spite of having no 
>>>> space for a framebag nor fork mounted braze ons for anything or similar 
>>>> cages. I am thinking of front and rear mimimalist racks from Tumbleweed as 
>>>> they include the anything / manything cage mounts. Curious what others 
>>>> might be doing?
>>>
>>>

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