I'm curious, and I know I have seen this in numerous bike photos before, 
but why is the chain so severely cross chained. That being the big cassette 
cog in the back and big ring in the front? Is there a convention for 
photographing bikes that I am unaware of, or do most folks cross-chain like 
this and I am missing out on the pleasure by lack of education?
Now I could be totally misunderstanding the photo, but with my eyes and the 
resolution of the digital photo is looks as tho the outside (ie largest 
ring) is in fact a guard and not a toothed chainring. Am I wrong and the 
chain is in fact on the middle chainring? 
I am not trying to be critical, just trying to understand why I seem to see 
this setup in so many seemingly staged photos. Do most folks ride their 
bikes in this fashion?
Just curious. 

JP

On Tuesday, February 15, 2022 at 6:13:07 PM UTC-6 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> @James: Have you considered trimming the bars a little shorter? Not the 
> craziest thing in the world, people modify bars like this all the time. 
>
> You might be able to find a pipe cutter for under $20 at your local 
> hardware store. Would be good to practice on a scrap piece of pipe first! 
> Or use a hacksaw. File the ends either way. 
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2022-02-15 at 7.11.37 PM.png]
> On Monday, February 14, 2022 at 10:40:56 AM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm going to throw up a WTT thread at some point, but the Ron's Ortho 
>> bars have just a couple of inch or inch and a half too much backwards reach 
>> for my 62cm Hunqapillar (pictured here with a 120mm Technomic).  I think 
>> I'd be better off with a Billie bar.  I'm in northern NJ, work in 
>> Manhattan, if anyone would be interested in a trade...
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2022-02-10 161030.png]
>>
>> On Thursday, February 10, 2022 at 3:37:30 PM UTC-5 john...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks John, maybe Ronny Romance just has a huge stack of 26mm clamp 
>>> stems from the 1990s in his parts stash :-)
>>>
>>> I bought a used Clem H in April 2021 and built it with a set of steel 
>>> Ergotec Beach cruiser bars because they were the only thing
>>> I could find that looked even little a bit like the Ortho bars. I really 
>>> love the range of positions, and the sweep is much more natural than flat 
>>> mtb bars. Not so keen on the 880g weight though...
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 10 Feb 2022 at 20:05, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Eric, 
>>>>    I tried out a 120mm Technomic Deluxe and a 120mm Pearl for initial 
>>>> fit, and I liked the little bit of extra reach the Pearl gives me. A Nitto 
>>>> Pearl stem sunk all the way down in my Hunqapillar's short head tube still 
>>>> puts these bars about 8 cm's above my saddle.
>>>>
>>>> For some reason, Nitto measures the Pearl differently than the 
>>>> Technomic Deluxe and the Pearl is about 8-9mm longer. Why? I don't know.
>>>>
>>>> So if I decide later I need to raise these bars a bit higher, I think 
>>>> I'm going to need that one extra centimeter of the 130mm Technomic Deluxe.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Johnny,  
>>>>    Most handlebars Crust sells are 26mm or 31.8mm, maybe that's why? 
>>>> Could strength be a factor?  Fingers crossed Crust starts to stock some 
>>>> 120-130mm stems for these bars. 
>>>>
>>>> I think the demand for these bars caught Crust & Uncle Ron completely 
>>>> off guard.  Back in February 2021, when I emailed Uncle Ron with questions 
>>>> about a photo of what looked like giant, mutant Albatross bars on his 
>>>> Atlantis(?), he answered, "congrats on being the only person 
>>>> interested in my ortho back bars lol. it's a state of mind... "
>>>>
>>>> But then Crust put up those Uncle Ron's Orthopedic Back Bars 
>>>> Sesion#1-#3 ride videos up on Youtube, and Uncle Ron posted Instagram 
>>>> photos, and they created a monster.
>>>>
>>>> John
>>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 4:22:13 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> @frahm30: I'm working on three builds plus a repair plus a drivetrain 
>>>>> upgrade! Five bikes in varying stages of... disaster. Sorry to tempt you 
>>>>> with my Ortho Fresh Bars (Still In Box for maximum health benefits). 
>>>>>
>>>>> John, Ben's Cycle has the 26.0 clamp diameter, 190mm quill Technomic 
>>>>> deluxe in size up to 120mm. If you can abide that lost centimeter check 
>>>>> 'em here 
>>>>> <https://www.benscycle.com/nitto-ntc-dx-technomic-deluxe-long-quill-stem-stem_nitto_ntc-dxlong_870/p?skuId=673316>
>>>>> . 
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 2:05:09 PM UTC-5 John Phillips wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been trying to find a 130mm Technomic deluxe with a 190mm quill, 
>>>>>> but it looks like I'll have to use a 120mm Nitto Pearl until I do. I 
>>>>>> don't 
>>>>>> need them too high, so fingers crossed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> John
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, February 9, 2022 at 10:10:23 AM UTC-8 Bones wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sadly mine are in the shed too, and have not yet seen any use. I 
>>>>>>> attached them to my Clem H on a 12cm Tallux but I haven't finished 
>>>>>>> putting 
>>>>>>> it together. A 26.0 faceplater quill would probably be ideal but I 
>>>>>>> don't 
>>>>>>> know where to find one of those. I've got an extra dirt drop but I 
>>>>>>> assumed 
>>>>>>> that would bring them too close to me. One of those threadless stem 
>>>>>>> adapters would probably work great but I'm not too keen on the 
>>>>>>> aesthetics. 
>>>>>>> I'm not a huge dude and I don't anticipate I'll have any issues with 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> Tallux. I'll be sure to report back once I get it rolling though.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bones
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 8:18:25 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Still in the shed? Oh man. Sure you don’t want to just pass them 
>>>>>>>> along? Because I’m in! Haha
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 4:16:57 PM UTC-8 John Phillips 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Orthopedic back Bars...for performance applications" 👍
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That gave me a chuckle.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 2:14:35 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> John – I haven't tried the bars but have a set in the shed. I 
>>>>>>>>>> seem to recall somewhere Ron recommended adding some friction 
>>>>>>>>>> compound to 
>>>>>>>>>> the stem. Oh, I found it. 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-02-08 at 5.14.07 PM.png]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, February 8, 2022 at 4:29:32 PM UTC-5 Sam Perez wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I found that a single bolt dirt drip stem holds okay, I mounted 
>>>>>>>>>>> it on a 4 bolt stem it felt more secure, yet to be field tested. 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 8, 2022, at 12:32 PM, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners 
>>>>>>>>>>> Bunch <rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And did you need any friction paste or Loctite in the bar clamp?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> John
>>>>>>>>>>>
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